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MESSAGE
DATE 2008-03-15
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Benefits/drawbacks of building Linux as a package [was: Looking for recommendations on Linux Distro]
On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 05:54:10PM -0400, Chris Knadle wrote:
> On Saturday 15 March 2008, Ruben Safir wrote:
> > Installing a kernel with a package manager is suicidal anyway.
> >
> > Ruben
>
> Hmm... Well if that's so I'd appreciate knowing why you feel that way.
> [I'm not being sarcastic, I'm seriously asking.]
>
> The main things I personally like about installing the kernel as a package:
> 1. Ability to compile on one system + install on another
> [Doesn't require installing dev stuff on a server, for instance]
> 2. Package manager warns if library versions don't match, like
> module-init-tools
> 3. The pacakage install script adds or removes the kernel to the boot
> menu automatically
> 4. The package contains md5sums for the files, so if one of the files
> has been changed there's a chance of finding out
> 5. It saves me work
>
> Matching arguments against bothering to make a package:
> 1. You could probably copy over a .tar to do the same thing
> 2. If you know what you're doing this shouldn't matter
> 3. Run 'update-grub' to do the same thing
> 4. You can't rely on md5sums if they're local anyway
> 5. Don't be lazy
>
> Thoughts?
>
> -- Chris


Reinstalling the kernal from a packagemanager doesn't allow for both kernels to be
exected through grub incase something goes wrong. In addition, the boot image
is likely different in different distros and RPM's et al are frankly very bad at
setting that up, not to mention the hell of module incongruencies, especially if
you need new modules installed for updated hardware, which is the most common
reason for installing a new kernel.

Package managers by and large, actually all of them, suck in the first place
Your checklist is wishful thinking. And I'm not talking out of my hat. I'm
talking from a SUSE 5.3 distro running on a P2 right now which has been continually patched
by hand for a LOT of years now.

The single biggest mistake someone can make aside from a dread aweful
rm command in jest is to install the Kernel from anything but an authenticed
source from kernel.org.

The only catch is that the Kernel itself has become so dreadfully large that
this is becoming increasingly strenous. When I compiled the new alsa modules
with the new kernel a few months back it was almost 6 hours of clicking through
pointless options. I've come to believe that the main source tree needs to
be forked at this point for at least three levels of usage, the workstation,
server and big iron usages.

The days of "everyone into the pool" needs to be viewed with a jaundice eye.

Ruben
>
> --
>
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  2. 2008-03-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] IBM elinux machines in europe
  3. 2008-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] MacBeth
  4. 2008-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] EEE PC Revolution rolls on...
  5. 2008-03-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] WTC Progress?
  6. 2008-03-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] GNU High School
  7. 2008-03-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [nyc-at-workatjelly.com: Jelly Turns Two! Jelly in Manhattan this Friday, 3/14]
  8. 2008-03-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Spring Agenda - Meeting Result 3-4-08: Comments Requested
  9. 2008-03-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Spring Agenda - Meeting Result 3-4-08: Comments Requested
  10. 2008-03-11 Kevin Mark <kevin.mark-at-verizon.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Spring Agenda - Meeting Result 3-4-08:
  11. 2008-03-12 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Spring Agenda - Meeting Result 3-4-08:
  12. 2008-03-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Spring Agenda - Meeting Result 3-4-08: Comments Requested
  13. 2008-03-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Spring Agenda - Meeting Result 3-4-08: Comments Requested
  14. 2008-03-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] gNU in the store
  15. 2008-03-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [legcalendar-at-council.nyc.ny.us: Council Calendar - Week of 03.17.08]
  16. 2008-03-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] RIAA Ghestapo
  17. 2008-03-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] RIAA Ghestopo II
  18. 2008-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Tech Development in the US
  19. 2008-03-15 From: "Joshua Zeidner" <jjzeidner-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Tech Development in the US
  20. 2008-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Tech Development in the US
  21. 2008-03-15 From: "Joshua Zeidner" <jjzeidner-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Tech Development in the US
  22. 2008-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Time Zonea
  23. 2008-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Time Zonea
  24. 2008-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [nbs-at-sonic.net: [vox] [fwd] more publicity for the March 1 ACCRC - Untangle installfest]
  25. 2008-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Benefits/drawbacks of building Linux as a package [was: Looking for recommendations on Linux Distro]
  26. 2008-03-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Benefits/drawbacks of building Linux as a package [was: Looking for recommendations on Linux Distro]
  27. 2008-03-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Benefits/drawbacks of building Linux as a package [was: Looking for recommendations on Linux Distro]
  28. 2008-03-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Benefits/drawbacks of building Linux as a package [was: Looking for recommendations on Linux Distro]
  29. 2008-03-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Benefits/drawbacks of building Linux as a package [was: Looking for recommendations on Linux Distro]
  30. 2008-03-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Benefits/drawbacks of building Linux as a package [was: Looking for recommendations on Linux Distro]
  31. 2008-03-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] ID theft
  32. 2008-03-18 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Benefits/drawbacks of building Linux as a package [was: Looking for recommendations on Linux Distro]
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  35. 2008-03-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [raj-at-brainlink.com: Brainlink is hiring. Can I post that on NYLUG?]
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  41. 2008-03-20 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Frielich Um Purim
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  43. 2008-03-20 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Frielich Um Purim
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  50. 2008-03-27 Mark Simko <msimko-at-optonline.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Linux ready for the home desktop?
  51. 2008-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [pshapiro-at-his.com: [Dclug] Asus releases SDK for Eee PC]
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  55. 2008-03-28 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Linux ready for the home desktop?
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  58. 2008-03-28 Mark Simko <msimko-at-optonline.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Linux ready for the home desktop?
  59. 2008-03-27 ronny abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Linux ready for the home desktop?
  60. 2008-03-28 Mark Simko <msimko-at-optonline.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Linux ready for the home desktop?
  61. 2008-03-28 From: "Ronny Abraham" <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Linux ready for the home desktop?
  62. 2008-03-28 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Linux ready for the home desktop?
  63. 2008-03-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Interview Request: Flyp Media on Linux and Open Source
  64. 2008-03-28 From: "Joshua Zeidner" <jjzeidner-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Interview Request: Flyp Media on Linux and Open Source
  65. 2008-03-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Interview Request: Flyp Media on Linux and Open Source
  66. 2008-03-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [legcalendar-at-council.nyc.ny.us: Council Calendar - Week of 03.31.08]
  67. 2008-03-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Interview Request: Flyp Media on Linux and Open Source
  68. 2008-03-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Interview Request: Flyp Media on Linux and Open Source
  69. 2008-03-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Linux ready for the home desktop?
  70. 2008-03-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Perl MYSQL GNU Job
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  73. 2008-03-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Jobs: Perl and IMAGEMAGIC
  74. 2008-03-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Job: Perl Website work
  75. 2008-03-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Perl Part Time Work
  76. 2008-03-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Yahoo Job - RHEL and Perl
  77. 2008-03-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: April 3rd
  78. 2008-03-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] GNU Market Share
  79. 2008-03-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Redhat doing fine
  80. 2008-03-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Non-Free aint Free
  81. 2008-03-29 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: April 3rd
  82. 2008-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: April 3rd
  83. 2008-03-30 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: April 3rd
  84. 2008-03-30 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: April 3rd
  85. 2008-03-30 ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] freedom-it photos
  86. 2008-03-30 ronny abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] GNU Market Share
  87. 2008-03-30 ronny abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] fstab and macbook
  88. 2008-03-30 From: "armando fonseca" <afonsec2-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] fstab and macbook
  89. 2008-03-30 ronny abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] fstab and macbook
  90. 2008-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: April 3rd
  91. 2008-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: April 3rd
  92. 2008-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Books that mention NYLXS
  93. 2008-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] rewriting history
  94. 2008-03-31 Kevin Mark <kevin.mark-at-verizon.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] fstab and macbook
  95. 2008-03-31 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: April 3rd
  96. 2008-03-31 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] rewriting history
  97. 2008-03-28 ronny abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Linux ready for the home desktop?
  98. 2008-03-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: April 3rd
  99. 2008-03-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: April 3rd
  100. 2008-03-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [events-at-flaggmgmt.com: Show and Conference tomorrow. 2008 Linux/Open Source, April 1, Roosevelt Hotel.]
  101. 2008-03-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: April 3rd
  102. 2008-03-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] fstab and macbook
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