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From: Ruben Safir
Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Maybe its because lindows just sucked
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On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 08:53:04AM -0400, Mark Simko wrote:
> On Sun, 2008-07-06 at 22:29 -0400, Ronny Abraham wrote:
> > What they want is the guys who runs
> > Microsoft Office and the occasional custom business app. I could have
> > told them "nice try, but you aren't getting that market". Why? Not
> > because they don't do a good job, but because you are simply not going
> > to convince someone to give up something that "Just Works" and take a
> > chance on a technology that "does a good enough job". Why screw
> > around with something that might work when you have something that
> > does (sort of)?
> They will go for something that is more reliable, easier to use, and
> less expensive with less maintenance headaches. Give them a system that
> is less prone to performance degradation and malware infection and they
> have every reason to move. The only reasons that Windows prevailed is
> because of superior marketing and unfair competition. What Linux lacks
> now is marketing. There just aren't marketing dollars there for that. I
> don't know if word of mouth and a grassroots groundswell will change
> things, but the problems of Vista performance, Vista difficulty, and
> Microsoft Office incompatibility have many moving over to OSX, and
> probably linux too.
Until someone wakes up and markets and engineers a desktop with
business features that desirable and NOT compatable with windows
because it is done in a better way for less, then this just continues
to be a useless chase.
Look at this new Apple Laptop with the touch screen. Nothing stopped
SuSE, IBM or Ubuntu from creating this first, and marketing it strongly.
And thats not all. The X11 interface is hobbled in most environments and
development appications because of the work done making everything Windows
Compatable. That includes OpenOffice, all the databases, Ximian, KDE
EVERYTHING. They are frankly just so damn stupid it is fustrating.
Novell and IBM can wrap server side services to desktop applicaitons in a
truly secure and light way in ways MS could NEVER duplicate without ripping
up their entire foundation and starting from scratch. What are they waiting
for. They're years too late and a billion dollars short.
> > Maybe SUSE does that job. I wouldn't know. But tell me, if you start
> > up SUSE will you have an environment that looks exactly like Windows
> > XP and works exactly like XP as far interface and preferences go?
> No need for exact. Just need a lot closer than what Vista is.
> > Because that is a major reason why someone won't switch over. Your
> > average office drone has no interest whatsoever in mucking about with
> > a system. He's terrified of it and with good reason - he doesn't own
> > the computer it's running on.
> All most people want is that, not just office drones. What they are
> afraid of is that they will have to give things up. There are a few
> video formats I can't watch. What I've come to appreciate is that they
> are just time wasting emails anyway. I am more productive on a Linux
> system without all the M$ maintenance hassles.
> > I think that Linux has a lot of potential on peripheral devices.
> A lot more potential on the desktop. And especially with thin clients.
> > I
> > also think that one day, maybe, Linux might even capture a significant
> > portion of the desktop app.
> Maybe soon if this crud economy continues for long.
> > But that depends on whether technologies
> > like Flash can translate to the desktop and further show serious power
> > in the form of apps (something Java was supposed to do, but failed at
> > miserably). Show me that, and I'll show you a potential Linux desktop
> > market.
> So Linux on the desktop success depends upon the success of Flash on
> Linux? Please!!! That's just eye candy.
Why isn't Thea being pushed? Who is marking it?
Better yet, why are we stuffing X11 functionality into the damn web browser?
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"> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.<
You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess you missed that one."
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