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DATE 2008-07-08
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Maybe its because lindows just sucked
From lest-hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com Tue Jul 8 19:40:07 2008
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On Tue, Jul 08, 2008 at 03:18:04PM -0400, Ronny Abraham wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 1:50 AM, Ruben Safir wrote:
> > Corel screw up their target market by using a lot of non-free software in their crap and then failing to market it. The product was fine. It was down right impressive.
>
> Ruben, I have not used the Corel office suite. I don't need to.
> Because I know how fast Java apps at the time worked. But I like to
> think of myself as fair. So I'll tell you what, if you manage to get
> the Corel Beta of the time running at good clip on an x386 machine
> then I'll concede the entire argument. Not a 486 or a 586, but a 386.
> Because that is what most of the office workers were typing on.
>


No they weren't they were on Pentium II's and the PII's were out as I recall.

Not only did no one have a 386, I've actually never seen a 386.

ruben



> > Yeah, those points are death to any product. You do not give customers what
> > they want, you drive a new business by exceding their expectations and
> > teaching them what they want.
> >
> > This is marketing and PR 1.0
> >
> > You create markets with advertising, and public realtions.
>
> So according to this reasoning, products don't fail because they don't
> deliver, they only fail because there wasn't enough PR.
>
> Did it ever occur to you that the PR people are the ones who want you
> to believe that because they like having jobs?
>
>
> > Did you ever see the film Tucker?
>
> No, but it's probably a better example than Rockefeller.
>
>
> > Its a wiki, go to a business library and look it up.
>
> Not happening. I simply don't care enough to go to a library and read
> a book on a subject in order to understand a point you are making. If
> you want to make a point to me, you have to do more of the work than
> say "go to a library".
>
> > Bullshit. IBM invented the market. They just didn't care to compete after they
> > had the Department of Justice kick them around but good.
>
> Fair enough. Like I said, I don't have hard facts in that case, so
> you can take it for what it's worth.
>
> > What? Sometimes you are a little weird.
>
> Rubin, if you gave me one or two examples, then sure, I'd put out the
> time to understand it. Especially if I thought that it would improve
> my general knowledge. But if you hand me five examples to one
> argument, I am simply not going to hunt down every one of them. I am
> not a historian, I am not a lawyer. I am totally uninterested in
> going to a library to read a book to better comprehend some obscure
> point being made in a conversation that probably isn't going to change
> anyone's opinion. My point was, give me one or two counterexamples
> that illustrate what you are trying to say. This isn't a "two men
> enter, one man leaves" argument. This is about how we can best
> utilize our time. Given that the entire GNU/Linux enterprise is
> successful because people like you and me devote our time, I think
> that's actually an important question.
>
> Now the reason I am actually arguing this with you is very simple. I
> think and feel, very very strongly that "marketing is everything" is
> total and complete bullshit. I have heard Democrats make that
> argument, I have heard Republicans make that argument. I have heard
> the guys from Sun make that argument too. And the truth is, marketing
> definitely has impact. But it is not even close to everything.
>
> Distribution is a factor
> Cost of risk vs. reward is a factor.
> Ease of use is a factor
> Convenience in getting it up and running is a factor
> Need is a factor.
> Stabilitity is a factor.
> Learning curve is a factor
>
> Now Linux is very good, at the present time, in filling some of these
> requirements. It is very stable, and thanks to the fast internet
> connections it's distribution is fantastic, but regarding all the
> other points, it is simply NOT THAT GREAT.
>
> >
> > No, when my system craps out patients DIE DIE DIE.
> >
> > Gee, you think that would be incentive. Or to what 500 million dollars of
> > arbitrage go past you on the Chicago exchange?
> >
> > Some businesses actually do something.
>
> Businesses are run by people. People want to cover their ass. People
> stick with a brand because it's worked "well enough" as far as they
> are concerned ... I can't believe I'm actually arguing over something
> this obvious.
>
> this is ridiculous.
>
> You know what Ruben? If you really believe everything you are saying,
> then why don't you stop bitching about it, and take courses in
> marketing and PR, and then do something about it? You are one of the
> smartest guys I know, you can probably be successful at anything you
> like, so just do it. You're effectively telling me, that he who
> controls PR controls the world, so go for it. If it's as important
> and certain as you make it out to be, there shouldn't be any risk
> whatsoever in moving to ad agency right?
>
> After all, if marketing is everything, then anyone who is good at it
> will make the company a bundle of cash right? Given that you are a
> very smart and capable man, you should be able to master it fairly
> quickly. Therefore, you should be able, with a minimum of effort and
> almost no risk whatsoever be able to switch jobs and make a bundle.
> So do it.
>
> But of course, marketing isn't everything. PR is not everything.
> Being able to talk your way is not always going to cut it. If you
> tried that you'd be risking quite a lot which means you'll never do
> it. Because, you are, in fact, a smart guy and not an idiot.
>
> > The only way for any business to succeed is to INOVATE and create a NEW MARKET,
> > especially when competing against a legal monolopy which would also break
> > any law, take any action, pursue in court any competitor, in order to crush them
> > and maintain their monopoly.
>
> If what you said was true, then Ford wouldn't be about to go bankrupt,
> and the Japanese wouldn't be taking over the auto industry.
>
> >
> >
> >> I believe this so much, that the second I get a chance I'm
> >> going to start donating time to WINE.
> >>
> >
> > I'd have to be more insulting then I care to be to answer that. What can be
> > said? This has been tried for a decade and failed.
>
> I'm a sucker for a lost cause.
>
> > You haven't seen them?
>
> No, where can I find them? I'm very interested.

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  73. 2008-07-18 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [BrooklynFreeCycle] offer---- old library card catalog file cabinet
  74. 2008-07-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] HAckfest/Installfest
  75. 2008-07-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] HAckfest/Installfest
  76. 2008-07-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Hackfest/Installfest
  77. 2008-07-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Tax Exempy Status
  78. 2008-07-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest/Hackfest Tomorrow
  79. 2008-07-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest/Hackfest
  80. 2008-07-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [notification+zjaayj4y-at-facebookmail.com: "Ted & Amy Supper Club (NYC)" sent you a message on Facebook...]
  81. 2008-07-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] C++ Workshop 2.2.3
  82. 2008-07-22 From: "Ronny Abraham" <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [notification+zjaayj4y-at-facebookmail.com: "Ted & Amy Supper Club (NYC)" sent you a message on Facebook...]
  83. 2008-07-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [notification+zjaayj4y-at-facebookmail.com: "Ted & Amy Supper Club (NYC)" sent you a message on Facebook...]
  84. 2008-07-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] C Programming Workshop
  85. 2008-07-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [dalmolin-at-e-cology.ca: [Hardhats] COMMITTEE ON WAYS AND MEANS: Promoting Health IT Hearing]
  86. 2008-07-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] C++ Workshop 2.3.4
  87. 2008-07-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Dell GNU Systems
  88. 2008-07-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [rick-at-linuxmafia.com: [conspire] DNS vulnerability details]
  89. 2008-07-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [conspire] DNS vulnerability details
  90. 2008-07-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [conspire] DNS vulnerability details
  91. 2008-07-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Radio Broadcasting
  92. 2008-07-25 prmarino1-at-gmail.com Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [rick-at-linuxmafia.com: [conspire] DNS vulnerability details]
  93. 2008-07-25 prmarino1-at-gmail.com Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [rick-at-linuxmafia.com: [conspire] DNS vulnerability details]
  94. 2008-07-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [conspire] DNS vulnerability details
  95. 2008-07-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] unionfs
  96. 2008-07-26 Mark Simko <msimko-at-optonline.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] unionfs
  97. 2008-07-26 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] unionfs
  98. 2008-07-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] unionfs
  99. 2008-07-27 Mark Simko <msimko-at-optonline.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] unionfs
  100. 2008-07-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] unionfs
  101. 2008-07-27 Mark Simko <msimko-at-optonline.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] unionfs
  102. 2008-07-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] unionfs
  103. 2008-07-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [nyc-at-workatjelly.com: Jelly in Fort Greene Friday, 8/1]
  104. 2008-07-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Volunteer4-at-JohnMcCain.com: McCain Campaign Internships]
  105. 2008-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] August Plans
  106. 2008-07-30 From: <tameek-at-gmail.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] August Plans
  107. 2008-07-30 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] August Plans
  108. 2008-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] August Plans
  109. 2008-07-30 email <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] August Plans
  110. 2008-07-30 From: <tameek-at-gmail.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] August Plans
  111. 2008-07-30 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] August Plans
  112. 2008-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] August Plans
  113. 2008-07-30 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] August Plans
  114. 2008-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] August Plans
  115. 2008-07-30 From: <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] August Plans
  116. 2008-07-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Time to trash the eeepc
  117. 2008-07-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] KDE really sucks
  118. 2008-07-31 email <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] KDE really sucks
  119. 2008-07-31 prmarino1-at-gmail.com Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Time to trash the eeepc
  120. 2008-07-31 prmarino1-at-gmail.com Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Time to trash the eeepc
  121. 2008-07-31 prmarino1-at-gmail.com Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] KDE really sucks
  122. 2008-07-31 prmarino1-at-gmail.com Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] KDE really sucks
  123. 2008-07-31 From: "Stan Davenport" <stan-at-Etrtechcenter.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Ruben,Opening On Long Island Near Hicksville RR Linix Developer Any
  124. 2008-07-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] KDE really sucks
  125. 2008-07-31 Mark Simko <msimko-at-optonline.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Time to trash the eeepc
  126. 2008-07-31 prmarino1-at-gmail.com Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Time to trash the eeepc
  127. 2008-07-31 prmarino1-at-gmail.com Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Time to trash the eeepc
  128. 2008-07-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Time to trash the eeepc
  129. 2008-07-31 From: <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Time to trash the eeepc
  130. 2008-07-31 prmarino1-at-gmail.com Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Time to trash the eeepc
  131. 2008-07-31 prmarino1-at-gmail.com Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Time to trash the eeepc
  132. 2008-07-31 prmarino1-at-gmail.com Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Time to trash the eeepc
  133. 2008-07-31 prmarino1-at-gmail.com Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Time to trash the eeepc
  134. 2008-07-31 From: <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Time to trash the eeepc

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