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DATE 2008-07-08
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From Free Software Magazine:


Businesses are not philanthropists. They are not, intentionally, educators
or evangelists for ideologies. However, from time to time their business
models just happen to coincide with their more idealistic customers own
interests. Asus is one such company.

When they launched the little EeePC they could scarcely have imagined the
extraordinary reaction it would cause. They say that any publicity is good
publicity but the reaction to the two pound wonder was almost universally
favourable. It was hot. I mean nuclear hot. And it was GNU/Linux.

The net was humming with praise, enthusiasm and replete with hagiographic
articles drooling with admiring screenshots. I was one the EeePC groupies
too. An EeePC slut. I liked it so much that, like Victor Kiam, I bought
one. Hell, I couldn’t contain myself. I joined the drooling throng
and penned four articles on this ultra portable laptop computer. The
praise was mostly unstinting and the lust for the little machine was
positively Gadarene. Niggles

Yes, there were niggling reservations: Xandros was the installed
default distro of choice—but this company, like Novell, had entered
into an agreement with Microsoft and they played silly buggers with
the Kernel before a torrent of complaints caused them to release the
source code. Then there was the matter of the sanctity of the GPL. In
the first flush of enthusiasm it was possible to put a peg on our noses,
avert our gaze and wax lyrical about the little beast. The Asus EeePC is
one of the few purchases I have made that did not induce the classical
post-purchase “buyers’ remorse” syndrome. However, all is not
mimsy in the borogroves, as Lewis Carroll would say.

Asus at least give the appearance that free software operating systems
are being quietly shunted onto the back burner

Window shopping on the digital mall I stumbled across a report about
the Computex 2008 show in Japan which reported that the Asus stand was
being very coy about advertising GNU/Linux. (Sorry, I can’t give you
the link. I was in live CD mode at the time, so I emailed the link to
myself but it all went pear shaped.) In fact you would have been hard
pushed to see any reference to it at all. Windows was a different matter
altogether. There was plenty of promotional material suggesting that
things go better with Windows on the EeePC. Leaving aside the technical
improvements to the latest EeePC models, including the bigger nine inch
screen and the Intel “Diamonville” Atom processor, Asus at least give
the appearance that free software operating systems are being quietly
shunted onto the back burner.

This raises a rather cynical question. Was Asus simply using GNU/Linux as
a lure to get a cheap foothold in the micro market and tempt Microsoft by
the stunning sales figures? After all, Microsoft has reputedly reprieved
Windows XP as it wants to get a share of this lucrative market too and
it knows that Vista is having problems running well on conventional
laptops and will therefore have problems running well on lower spec’d
machines like the EeePC. Well, Asus is a business too and it will
partner with whatever operating system shifts most product. They know
that the overwhelming majority of private computer users are, by inertia,
indifference, and technical and political ignorance, Windows users. That,
presumably, is why Asus told Zdnet that sixty percent of all EeePCs
shipped in 2008 would come with Windows XP preinstalled; and Microsoft
have not been shy in admitting that the purpose is to position itself to
“get into the next ten billion consumer market”. Of course, that is
not the same as market share. Sixty percent of EeePCs with Windows XP pre
installed is not the same as selling that sixty percent. If GNU/Linux
has carved out a popular niche for itself on the EeePC, new users and
upgraders may stick with free software and Asus may not shift as many
Windows XP machines. If that turned out to be the case Asus would be
compelled to persist with GNU/Linux to meet consumer demand. Perhaps.

What next? Will the CEO of Asus wake up in the morning and find a
horse’s head in his bed? Will Bill and Steve make them an offer they
can’t refuse? It’s not as bad as it looks

Pitching your product at the biggest market does make sense. Here be
profits. It is unreasonable to expect a business to disinterestedly
promote software for reasons of principle or Evangelical piety and
purity. Nevertheless, it would be rather galling to see software released
under the GPL licence being using to establish a foothold in a new and
emerging market only to have a kind of corporate raider/asset stripper
step it and hoover up the fruits of all the initial hard work. Bill Gates
may not be Gordon Gecko but clearly greed is good. Greed is right. I have
no gripe with honest profit but parasitic profit annoys me. Really. (This
is not dissimilar to the situation of GNU/Linux software being ported for
cross platform use on Windows and Apple, Firefox and OpenOffice chief
amongst them. Many argue that this tactic aimed at enticing users away
from proprietary operating systems by giving them a “taster” of what
free software has to offer can backfire because it is bagged but without
much reciprocation, and more importantly, it fails to entice sufficient
numbers of users to GNU/Linux.)

If the responses to reports on Zdnet are to be believed, Asus got a call
from “a high placed and distinctly unhappy member of the Microsoft
family” reminding them that “nasty thing happen” to people who
don’t take their “protection”. What next? Will the CEO of Asus
wake up in the morning and find a horse’s head in his bed? Will Bill
and Steve make them an offer they can’t refuse?

The good news however is that Asus seems to be ploughing on with
developments that are not entirely Windows centric. As I mentioned
in the last of the four-part series on the EeePC they have released
an SDK for the machine for developing software. More recently, Asus
has developed Splashtop (dubbed “Express Gateway”) to be embedded
into all their motherboards (including those for EeePC models?). This
allows for an almost instantaneous loading of a PC. It is composed of a
proprietary OS running from the BIOS and a Linux stack on top of which
the applications run. On 1st July the 901 and the 1000 EeePCs series will
be released and both versions will come with a choice of GNU/Linux and
Windows. So, it looks like Asus is not going out of its way to publically
antagonize Microsoft whilst quietly proceeding with a binary policy of
offering customers operating system choice across a range of hardware
specifications. I would be happier if the playing field were level,
that Asus didn’t ship with sixty percent of machines with Windows XP
pre installed.

It seems that GNU/Linux needs to be an underground success before it
becomes - a success Too many bottles, too few corks

The astounding success of the EeePC has been a shot in the arm for all
lovers and supporters of GNU/Linux. It has thrilled everybody. However,
it encapsulates the classic conundrum (or Catch 22) of GNU/Linux. When
it comes preinstalled on machines like the EeePC it attracts interest
like sharks in a feeding frenzy and Microsoft clamour for a piece of the
action and start muscling in with bribes, threats and FUD. Exit GNU/Linux
stage left. It seems that it needs to be an underground success before it
becomes—a success. If it stays “underground” to avoid attracting
attention to itself it just leaves the field open to the proprietary
competition. It looks like a no win situation but that is only true if
you view the position statically.

Hardware and software development is a constantly moving target. Asus
might be hoist with the petard of its initial success but that very
success has led to the equivalent of a nuclear chain reaction—and it is
unstoppable. If Asus falter and cave in to proprietary pressure there are
many others eager and willing to step up to the mark: Acer Aspire One,
MSI Wind, HP Mini-Note, Dell E series—and they all offer free software
solutions out of the box. It would take some very nimble footwork for
Microsoft to manage or contain the threat offered by this Hydra-headed
profusion of free software choice. I don’t believe they can do it.

The genie is truly out of the bottle. Microsoft is just trying to put
the cork back in. Well, let it Conclusion

I started this article wondering and worrying that Asus were back
sliding on GNU/Linux but I am inclined to conclude on a note of cautious
optimism. The debut of the ultra portable laptops is what physicists
would call a phase shift and that shift is changing some of the ground
rules and, coincidentally, giving hardware vendors—perhaps for the
first time—the ability to resist the siren lure of Microsoft. What
really frightens Redmond is the thought and prospect that they can be
done without after all. Even if Asus start to succumb to the threats or
blandishments of Microsoft, the truth is that the emergence of the EeePC
has led to a rash of clones and self-styled “EeePC killers”—and they
all run GNU/Linux. The genie is truly out of the bottle. Microsoft is just
trying to put the cork back in. Well, let it. There are too many bottles
out there and they don’t have enough corks. Cheers and bottoms up!


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  2. 2008-07-01 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Need to get rid of a whole bunch of programming
  3. 2008-07-01 email <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Need to get rid of a whole bunch of programming
  4. 2008-07-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Need to get rid of a whole bunch of programming books. TALK ABOUT FREE SOFTWARE!!!
  5. 2008-07-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Gates: Windows really sucks
  6. 2008-07-01 email <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Need to get rid of a whole bunch of programming
  7. 2008-07-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [david-at-thekramers.net: Fedora 9 X dual screen problems]
  8. 2008-07-02 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Need to get rid of a whole bunch of programming
  9. 2008-07-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] C++ Workshop 2 (section 2.1)
  10. 2008-07-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] C++ Workshop 2.1
  11. 2008-07-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] July 4th
  12. 2008-07-03 Shoshana Rivka Safir <shani-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Post high school jobs or internships?
  13. 2008-07-03 meg7-at-nyu.edu Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] July 4th
  14. 2008-07-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] July 4th
  15. 2008-07-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] July 4th
  16. 2008-07-03 From: "Ronny Abraham" <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Post high school jobs or internships?
  17. 2008-07-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] C++ Workshop 2.3
  18. 2008-07-03 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Post high school jobs or internships?
  19. 2008-07-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [alan-at-patriot.net: [Dclug] Our Fourth Amendment]
  20. 2008-07-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] 4th of July Plans
  21. 2008-07-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Workshops
  22. 2008-07-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Might be time for a visit to Congress again
  23. 2008-07-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Maybe its because lindows just sucked
  24. 2008-07-05 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Workshops
  25. 2008-07-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Workshops
  26. 2008-07-06 From: "Ronny Abraham" <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Maybe its because lindows just sucked
  27. 2008-07-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [meissner-at-suse.de: [security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: Linux kernel (SUSE-SA:2008:031)]
  28. 2008-07-07 Mark Simko <msimko-at-optonline.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Maybe its because lindows just sucked
  29. 2008-07-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [meissner-at-suse.de: [security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: Linux kernel (SUSE-SA:2008:032)]
  30. 2008-07-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Maybe its because lindows just sucked
  31. 2008-07-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Maybe its because lindows just sucked
  32. 2008-07-07 Mark Simko <msimko-at-optonline.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Maybe its because lindows just sucked
  33. 2008-07-07 Mark Simko <msimko-at-optonline.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Maybe its because lindows just sucked
  34. 2008-07-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Maybe its because lindows just sucked
  35. 2008-07-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Maybe its because lindows just sucked
  36. 2008-07-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Maybe its because lindows just sucked
  37. 2008-07-07 Mark Simko <msimko-at-optonline.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Maybe its because lindows just sucked
  38. 2008-07-07 Mark Simko <msimko-at-optonline.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Maybe its because lindows just sucked
  39. 2008-07-07 From: "Ronny Abraham" <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Maybe its because lindows just sucked
  40. 2008-07-07 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Maybe its because lindows just sucked
  41. 2008-07-07 From: "Ronny Abraham" <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Post high school jobs or internships?
  42. 2008-07-07 From: "Ronny Abraham" <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Maybe its because lindows just sucked
  43. 2008-07-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [nyc-at-workatjelly.com: Jelly in Manhattan this Friday, 7/11]
  44. 2008-07-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Maybe its because lindows just sucked
  45. 2008-07-07 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Maybe its because lindows just sucked
  46. 2008-07-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Maybe its because lindows just sucked
  47. 2008-07-07 From: "Ronny Abraham" <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Maybe its because lindows just sucked
  48. 2008-07-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Maybe its because lindows just sucked
  49. 2008-07-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Maybe its because lindows just sucked
  50. 2008-07-08 Mark Simko <msimko-at-optonline.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Maybe its because lindows just sucked
  51. 2008-07-08 From: "Ronny Abraham" <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Maybe its because lindows just sucked
  52. 2008-07-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Maybe its because lindows just sucked
  53. 2008-07-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Maybe its because lindows just sucked
  54. 2008-07-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Maybe its because lindows just sucked
  55. 2008-07-08 From: "Ronny Abraham" <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Maybe its because lindows just sucked
  56. 2008-07-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Maybe its because lindows just sucked
  57. 2008-07-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] ASUS/GNU
  58. 2008-07-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] While we're on this topic
  59. 2008-07-08 From: "Tameek" <tameek-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [nyc-at-workatjelly.com: Jelly in Manhattan this Friday, 7/11]
  60. 2008-07-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [nyc-at-workatjelly.com: Jelly in Manhattan this Friday, 7/11]
  61. 2008-07-09 email <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [nyc-at-workatjelly.com: Jelly in Manhattan this
  62. 2008-07-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest this weekend?
  63. 2008-07-09 email <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest this weekend?
  64. 2008-07-09 Mark Simko <msimko-at-optonline.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Post high school jobs or internships?
  65. 2008-07-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest this weekend?
  66. 2008-07-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] GNU/Linux INSTALLFEST/HACKFEST NYC Local
  67. 2008-07-12 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] "Gates of Vienna" blog averts DMCA prosecution
  68. 2008-07-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Linux on the desktop - it's come a long way, but is it there yet?
  69. 2008-07-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] so much for Apples Free Software pitch
  70. 2008-07-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] grep
  71. 2008-07-15 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] grep
  72. 2008-07-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] C++ Workshop 2.2
  73. 2008-07-18 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [BrooklynFreeCycle] offer---- old library card catalog file cabinet
  74. 2008-07-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] HAckfest/Installfest
  75. 2008-07-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] HAckfest/Installfest
  76. 2008-07-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Hackfest/Installfest
  77. 2008-07-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Tax Exempy Status
  78. 2008-07-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest/Hackfest Tomorrow
  79. 2008-07-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest/Hackfest
  80. 2008-07-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [notification+zjaayj4y-at-facebookmail.com: "Ted & Amy Supper Club (NYC)" sent you a message on Facebook...]
  81. 2008-07-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] C++ Workshop 2.2.3
  82. 2008-07-22 From: "Ronny Abraham" <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [notification+zjaayj4y-at-facebookmail.com: "Ted & Amy Supper Club (NYC)" sent you a message on Facebook...]
  83. 2008-07-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [notification+zjaayj4y-at-facebookmail.com: "Ted & Amy Supper Club (NYC)" sent you a message on Facebook...]
  84. 2008-07-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] C Programming Workshop
  85. 2008-07-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [dalmolin-at-e-cology.ca: [Hardhats] COMMITTEE ON WAYS AND MEANS: Promoting Health IT Hearing]
  86. 2008-07-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] C++ Workshop 2.3.4
  87. 2008-07-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Dell GNU Systems
  88. 2008-07-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [rick-at-linuxmafia.com: [conspire] DNS vulnerability details]
  89. 2008-07-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [conspire] DNS vulnerability details
  90. 2008-07-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [conspire] DNS vulnerability details
  91. 2008-07-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Radio Broadcasting
  92. 2008-07-25 prmarino1-at-gmail.com Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [rick-at-linuxmafia.com: [conspire] DNS vulnerability details]
  93. 2008-07-25 prmarino1-at-gmail.com Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [rick-at-linuxmafia.com: [conspire] DNS vulnerability details]
  94. 2008-07-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [conspire] DNS vulnerability details
  95. 2008-07-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] unionfs
  96. 2008-07-26 Mark Simko <msimko-at-optonline.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] unionfs
  97. 2008-07-26 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] unionfs
  98. 2008-07-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] unionfs
  99. 2008-07-27 Mark Simko <msimko-at-optonline.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] unionfs
  100. 2008-07-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] unionfs
  101. 2008-07-27 Mark Simko <msimko-at-optonline.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] unionfs
  102. 2008-07-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] unionfs
  103. 2008-07-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [nyc-at-workatjelly.com: Jelly in Fort Greene Friday, 8/1]
  104. 2008-07-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Volunteer4-at-JohnMcCain.com: McCain Campaign Internships]
  105. 2008-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] August Plans
  106. 2008-07-30 From: <tameek-at-gmail.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] August Plans
  107. 2008-07-30 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] August Plans
  108. 2008-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] August Plans
  109. 2008-07-30 email <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] August Plans
  110. 2008-07-30 From: <tameek-at-gmail.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] August Plans
  111. 2008-07-30 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] August Plans
  112. 2008-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] August Plans
  113. 2008-07-30 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] August Plans
  114. 2008-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] August Plans
  115. 2008-07-30 From: <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] August Plans
  116. 2008-07-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Time to trash the eeepc
  117. 2008-07-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] KDE really sucks
  118. 2008-07-31 email <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] KDE really sucks
  119. 2008-07-31 prmarino1-at-gmail.com Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Time to trash the eeepc
  120. 2008-07-31 prmarino1-at-gmail.com Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Time to trash the eeepc
  121. 2008-07-31 prmarino1-at-gmail.com Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] KDE really sucks
  122. 2008-07-31 prmarino1-at-gmail.com Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] KDE really sucks
  123. 2008-07-31 From: "Stan Davenport" <stan-at-Etrtechcenter.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Ruben,Opening On Long Island Near Hicksville RR Linix Developer Any
  124. 2008-07-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] KDE really sucks
  125. 2008-07-31 Mark Simko <msimko-at-optonline.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Time to trash the eeepc
  126. 2008-07-31 prmarino1-at-gmail.com Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Time to trash the eeepc
  127. 2008-07-31 prmarino1-at-gmail.com Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Time to trash the eeepc
  128. 2008-07-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Time to trash the eeepc
  129. 2008-07-31 From: <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Time to trash the eeepc
  130. 2008-07-31 prmarino1-at-gmail.com Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Time to trash the eeepc
  131. 2008-07-31 prmarino1-at-gmail.com Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Time to trash the eeepc
  132. 2008-07-31 prmarino1-at-gmail.com Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Time to trash the eeepc
  133. 2008-07-31 prmarino1-at-gmail.com Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Time to trash the eeepc
  134. 2008-07-31 From: <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Time to trash the eeepc

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