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DATE 2008-08-01
FROM Mark Simko
SUBJECT Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Time to trash the eeepc
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Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 09:30:51 -0400
From: Mark Simko
Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Time to trash the eeepc
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On Fri, 2008-08-01 at 03:04 -0400, Ruben Safir wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 02:46:27AM -0400, Mark Simko wrote:
> > That's asking way too much of these umpc devices. They have limited
> > functionality, although for the portability, it is a great compromise.
> > Allows you to be productive in situations where you normally wouldn't.
> >
> > I got mine so that I could enter data into sugarCRM while sitting in a
> > Panera or Starbucks during lunch or a break. Also wanted to be able to
> > read lengthy pdf and perhaps gutenberg text documents while travelling.
> > Working out an occasional spreadsheet, or creating a document while out
> > of the office. Oh, and taking notes during a LILUG meeting.
> >
> > I gotta say, mine has given me much more than that, but that was what I
> > was looking for, and for $400, I got what I needed. However, I did have
> > to open the thing up and attach an antenna to the internal usb wireless
> > card, and change the driver to the latest, experimental one, since the
> > one in Ubuntu for this realtek chip is bad and utterly worthless.
> > Fortunately, with Linux, it is easier to find answers and fixes than it
> > is with Windows.
> >
> > I've noticed with Windows now, that supposedly helpful, problem solving
> > sites have gone to subscription model. It also takes longer searching to
> > find answers to your problems, and they aren't always solved.
> > Considering that Linux is easier to install, easier to fix, is more
> > complete, and a more familiar interface than Vista and the new Office, I
> > see Linux finally coming of age.
> >
> > I do know that many people have installed XP on their eee pc. Perhaps
> > that's what Ruben should do. He'll need Office as well. And antivirus.
> > Perhaps he can report back on the experience. ;)
> >
>
>
> I don't know why you say this, but I've speced this machine out and
> it can do anything I need to. Its the limitations of the software
> configuration which is making it a PIA at this point.

I said it as a joke. Using XP with antivirus running would be a greater
load on the machine, and with all the maintenance, and eventual winrot,
would be a worse experience.

>
> To repeat, it is bigger than my original picturebook with more ram
> and storage space. If I get rid of the stupid unionfs, and pull
> the junk off it that I don't want it will work as smooth as glass,
>

I sent you a link with detailed instructions on removing the onion fs
from that machine (intentional mispelling for your benefit - a
malapropism).

> yes, Open Office, the gimp, printing everything.
>
>
> I have a P3 downstairs doing it and running services.

Why do you think a umpc is more powerful than a p3? These things have
very limited processors.

> Till now this
> machine has been fine. I've just reached a wall with it where it is
> harder to get it to do what I want with its locked up distro then
> I care to figure how to fix. And the unionFS is flatout buggy.
>

I don't know that it is buggy so much as it is a hindrance to you. Big
difference.

> I don't need half a KDE runtime environment to just print.
>

Does Xandros come with KDE instead of Gnome? No wonder your so
displeased, considering that you hate KDE. Myself, there is much about
KDE that I like, but changing a distros default windows manager becomes
a chore, so I've stuck with Gnome on Ubuntu.

So what distro are you going to install? When?

> Ruben
>
>
> > On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 22:51 -0400, mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com wrote:
> > > That's fine. Mine is doing what I want. I still have my full size HP laptop. Ruben wants to have the same functionalty he had with his Sony Vivo.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > >
> > > From: prmarino1-at-gmail.com
> > > Subj: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Time to trash the eeepc
> > > Date: Thu Jul 31, 2008 8:04 pm
> > > Size: 2K
> > > To:
> > > cc: ; ;
> > >
> > > well I'm not sating these thing wouldn't be easy with a different distro. My bigest thing is I just want it to work relyably without much effort. After having a gentoo desktop for a few years I've gotten to the point where I don't want to feel like maintaining my home pc or laptop is a second full time job.
> > > -----------------------
> > > Sent from my Treo(r) smartphone
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:
> > > Date: Thursday, Jul 31, 2008 7:38 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Time to trash the eeepc
> > > To: hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com,
> > > CC: Reply-To: hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com
> > >
> > > I put Debian on mine and I have a data/phone card. I got the extra large battery and 1gig ram.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > >
> > > From: prmarino1-at-gmail.com
> > > Subj: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Time to trash the eeepc
> > > Date: Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:06 pm
> > > Size: 2K
> > > To:
> > > cc:
> > >
> > > lol
> > >
> > > actualy I've been very happy with the 7
> > > xandros install on my eeepc however I think that has more to do with gentoo burn out than any thing else. It all comes down to expectation.
> > > For me I just want a simple machine to do my perl hacking, update my resume, ocasionaly browse the web, and be able to hook up to my cell phone in and vpn and ssh into the systems at work if there is an emergecy at work while durring off hours. everything else I do on my quadcore amd desktop at home or a server at work.
> > >
> > > I don't expect my eeepc to be a postgresql development or to do all of the things I would expect a full size laptop to do. So I'm happy with the abundance of functions it has. Also I spent the extra $100 for the 4GB flash and bigger battery so I don't have some of the same complaint as Rubin about storage space and battery life.
> > > -----------------------
> > > Sent from my Treo(r) smartphone
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Mark Simko
> > > Date: Thursday, Jul 31, 2008 5:27 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Time to trash the eeepc
> > > To: hangout-at-mrbrklyn.comReply-To: hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com
> > >
> > > Ah, perhaps you've come to your senses.
> > >
> > > I did the same with the Cloudbook. Actually, that decision was made for me after gOS trashed its linux-image during an update. I went with Ubuntu.
> > >
> > > I still have issues with the webcam, but that is nonessential. Oh, and my lap gets toasty warm if I make the mistake of keeping it there. Might be a very crude form of birth control.
> > >
> > > On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 12:56 -0700, prmarino1-at-gmail.com wrote:
> > > the wifi uses the madwifi-ng driver
> > > the sound card is an integrated intel sound card
> > > cat the /etc/modules file it contains a list of all of the modules it needs.
> > > -----------------------
> > > Sent from my Treo(r) smartphone
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Ruben Safir
> > > Date: Thursday, Jul 31, 2008 3:37 pm
> > > Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Time to trash the eeepc
> > > To: hangout-at-mrbrklyn.comReply-To: hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com
> > >
> > > Its time to remove the OS from this thing and use something normal.
> > >
> > > Are there known drivvers for the wirefi, and sound?
> > >
> > > Ruben
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>

  1. 2008-08-01 Mark Simko <msimko-at-optonline.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Time to trash the eeepc
  2. 2008-08-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Time to trash the eeepc
  3. 2008-08-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Time to trash the eeepc
  4. 2008-08-01 Mark Simko <msimko-at-optonline.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Time to trash the eeepc
  5. 2008-08-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Time to trash the eeepc
  6. 2008-08-01 Matthew <mph-at-dorsai.org> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Time to trash the eeepc
  7. 2008-08-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Time to trash the eeepc
  8. 2008-08-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New Movie Event for NYLXS
  9. 2008-08-01 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New Movie Event for NYLXS
  10. 2008-08-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] C++ Workshop 2.34
  11. 2008-08-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [afife-at-untangle.com: [vox] Installfest for Schools (Next Week)]
  12. 2008-08-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New Movie Event for NYLXS
  13. 2008-08-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Next NYLXS Meeting
  14. 2008-08-03 From: <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Next NYLXS Meeting
  15. 2008-08-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Time to trash the eeepc
  16. 2008-08-07 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Judge mulls frivolousness of God lawsuit
  17. 2008-08-08 From: <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fair use copyrite question
  18. 2008-08-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fair use copyrite question
  19. 2008-08-08 From: <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fair use copyrite question
  20. 2008-08-08 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fair use copyrite question
  21. 2008-08-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] stings lib in C++ and array size
  22. 2008-08-08 From: <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fair use copyrite question
  23. 2008-08-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fair use copyrite question
  24. 2008-08-08 From: <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fair use copyrite question
  25. 2008-08-10 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Killing a Posted Refresh
  26. 2008-08-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Killing a Posted Refresh
  27. 2008-08-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Killing a Posted Refresh
  28. 2008-08-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Free Software Chamber of Commerce: Healthcare Focus
  29. 2008-08-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: (Linux ETC: R Safir) [hardhats](offlist) Re: Free Software Chamber of Commerce: Healthcare Focus]
  30. 2008-08-12 From: "Ronny Abraham" <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Free Software Chamber of Commerce: Healthcare Focus
  31. 2008-08-12 Mark Simko <msimko-at-optonline.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Free Software Chamber of Commerce: Healthcare
  32. 2008-08-12 Mark Simko <msimko-at-optonline.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Judge mulls frivolousness of God lawsuit
  33. 2008-08-12 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Judge mulls frivolousness of God lawsuit
  34. 2008-08-13 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Desperately Seeking...
  35. 2008-08-13 From: <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Desperately Seeking...
  36. 2008-08-13 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Desperately Seeking...
  37. 2008-08-13 From: <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Desperately Seeking...
  38. 2008-08-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [rick-at-linuxmafia.com: [conspire] (forw) Strong Court Ruling Upholds the Artistic License (fwd)]
  39. 2008-08-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Google and Georgia
  40. 2008-08-14 prmarino1-at-gmail.com Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Google and Georgia
  41. 2008-08-14 prmarino1-at-gmail.com Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Google and Georgia
  42. 2008-08-14 Matthew <mph-at-dorsai.org> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Google and Georgia
  43. 2008-08-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Google and Georgia
  44. 2008-08-17 From: "Paul Charles Leddy" <pcleddy-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Volunteer4-at-JohnMcCain.com: McCain Campaign Internships]
  45. 2008-08-19 From: "armando fonseca" <afonsec2-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Volunteer4-at-JohnMcCain.com: McCain Campaign Internships]
  46. 2008-08-19 From: <tameek-at-gmail.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Volunteer4-at-JohnMcCain.com: McCain Campaign
  47. 2008-08-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Pulse Pen and Linux
  48. 2008-08-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Error in your C++ page on const
  49. 2008-08-24 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] SONY VIAO Laptop & openSUSE 11.00 Monitor configuration. Help please.
  50. 2008-08-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] SONY VIAO Laptop & openSUSE 11.00 Monitor configuration. Help please.
  51. 2008-08-25 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: SONY VIAO Laptop & openSUSE 11.00 Monitor configuration. Help
  52. 2008-08-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: SONY VIAO Laptop & openSUSE 11.00 Monitor configuration. Help please.
  53. 2008-08-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] C++ Workshop 2.34
  54. 2008-08-26 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Suse & FTP
  55. 2008-08-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Suse & FTP
  56. 2008-08-27 Matthew <mph-at-dorsai.org> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Suse & FTP
  57. 2008-08-27 Mark Simko <msimko-at-optonline.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Suse & FTP
  58. 2008-08-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Suse & FTP
  59. 2008-08-27 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: SONY VIAO Laptop & openSUSE 11.00 Monitor
  60. 2008-08-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: SONY VIAO Laptop & openSUSE 11.00 Monitor configuration. Help please.
  61. 2008-08-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] mac book?
  62. 2008-08-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Mac Book
  63. 2008-08-27 From: "armando fonseca" <afonsec2-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: SONY VIAO Laptop & openSUSE 11.00 Monitor configuration. Help please.
  64. 2008-08-27 Mark Simko <msimko-at-optonline.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: SONY VIAO Laptop & openSUSE 11.00 Monitor
  65. 2008-08-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Free Software Chamber of Commerce:
  66. 2008-08-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] August Plans
  67. 2008-08-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [nbs-at-sonic.net: [vox] Volunteers at Software Freedom Day - discs, too]
  68. 2008-08-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: multi-dim arrays in c
  69. 2008-08-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Workshop C++ errors
  70. 2008-08-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: multi-dim arrays in c

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