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DATE 2008-08-13
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [rick@linuxmafia.com: [conspire] (forw) Strong Court Ruling Upholds the Artistic License (fwd)]
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(I was intending to mail this to Linux Weekly News, but they posted the
story before I could do so.)



This panel decision by the Federal Circuit (Court of Appeals) in
Washington vacates the unfortunate April 10, 2008 ruling by Judge
Jeffrey S. White, of US District Court for the Northern District of
California, in "Robert Jacobsen v. Matthew Katzer and Kamind Associates,
Inc." (commonly known as JRMI v. Katzer) that had (erroneously)
eviscerated the (badly written, deprecated) version 1.0 of the Artistic
License. White believed Artistic License 1.0's provisions to be merely
covenants and not conditions, and therefore fall solely under contract
law.

As expected, the panel has overturned Justice White's dismissal of
Jacobsen's complaint, and remanded the case back to the District Court
for further trial of Jacobsen's claims for equible relief (injunction),
which would be unavailable under contract law. Among other reasons, it
found that Artistic License 1.0, even as badly drafted as it is, "uses
the traditional language of conditions", and therefore qualifies for
interpretation under copyright law.

----- Forwarded message from Brian Behlendorf -----

Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:09:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Behlendorf
To: license-discuss-at-opensource.org
Subject: Strong Court Ruling Upholds the Artistic License (fwd)


Awesome.

Brian

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: 13 Aug 2008 22:26:07 -0000
Subject: Strong Court Ruling Upholds the Artistic License

Link: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/08/13/1857241
Posted by: timothy, on 2008-08-13 19:41:00

dilute writes "The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit (an
authoritative court that normally deals with patent law), has issued a
[1]strong ruling (PDF) upholding the [2]Artistic License in a
copyright dispute between the developers of the [3]Java Model Railroad
Interface (JMRI), and Kamind, a company that used portions of
DecoderPro to develop [4]a competing product. The product at issue was
DecoderPro, an open source project released on SourceForge under the
Artistic License, for interfacing with model railroad control chips.
Kamind used a number of DecoderPro files in developing its product,
Decoder Commander. However, Kamind did not comply with the Artistic
License in a number of respects, including attribution, copyright
notices, tracked changes or availability of the underlying standard
version." Read on for more, below.

Dilute continues: "The lower court denied relief, saying that the
Artistic License merely imposed "contractual" promises, and that a
violation did not constitute copyright infringement (any
contract-based relief would probably have been meaningless). In a
strong ruling, the Federal Circuit found that the Artistic License is
legally enforceable, that its terms constituted "conditions" for
reliance on the license, and consequently that a violation of those
conditions would put the violating product outside the license and
thus make the violator a copyright infringer, potentially liable for
an injunction. The case lays out a clear and compelling description of
the rationale for open source, and reflects a complete willingness by
the court to lend the force of law to these licenses." Reader ruphus13
point to [5]Lawrence Lessig's commentary on the ruling; Lessig calls
it "huge and important news," and notes that the reasoning is
generalizable to the GPL and other Free software licenses, as well.

References

1. http://www.cafc.uscourts.gov/opinions/08-1001.pdf
2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artistic_License
3. http://jmri.sourceforge.net/
4. http://www.trainpriority.com/
5. http://lessig.org/blog/2008/08/huge_and_important_news_free_l.html

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