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DATE 2008-09-01

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MESSAGE
DATE 2008-09-17
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Living On Cat Food
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Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Living On Cat Food
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On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 12:15:49AM -0400, Ron Guerin wrote:
> Ruben Safir wrote:
> >On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 02:32:20PM -0400, Ruben Safir wrote:
> >>http://www.lehman.com/careers/workatlehman/index.htm
> >>
> >BTW - the bleak corperate news isn't limited to financial firms here in
> >NY. HP had a huge layoff this week as well.
>
> IIRC, that's because they bought Ross Perot's old company, EDS. Odds
> are those particular layoffs would have happened regardless. Also we're
> talking about a company ruined from the inside by Carly Fiorina.

I've heard this said from various corners but I don't believe that. All
I know is that HP had a lot more vissibability after she was brought on
and a lot more GNU software. Generally, i buy everything from HP I can
even though they all ut deep sixed their exchange clone years ago.

Without her, they might still be resisting GNU and still pushing HPUnix
and losing sales.

That's just my thought. I've found HP to be one of the more thoughful
companies.

> You
> can't un-ruin a thing, it's not "that HP" any more.
>
> I will say however, that in recent weeks everything's gone to shit out
> there, even in my own sphere, which was untouched by the Internet Bubble
> bursting. One of my customers is closing up this month after 40 years
> in business. Another one that's been around for 30 probably would be
> closing up soon if it wasn't such a frugally-run operation.
>

Got anything we can sell on ebay?

Ruben
> - Ron

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You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess you missed that one."

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  1. 2008-09-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] C++ Workshop Const Functions
  2. 2008-09-03 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] InstallFeast scheduled anytime soon? Thanks.
  3. 2008-09-07 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Multiple Webservers, 1 IP#
  4. 2008-09-07 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Multiple Webservers, 1 IP#
  5. 2008-09-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Multiple Webservers, 1 IP#
  6. 2008-09-07 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Multiple Webservers, 1 IP#
  7. 2008-09-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Multiple Webservers, 1 IP#
  8. 2008-09-07 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Multiple Webservers, 1 IP#
  9. 2008-09-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Multiple Webservers, 1 IP#
  10. 2008-09-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] installing gtk and gtkmm by hand
  11. 2008-09-08 From: =?utf-8?B?SmFzb24gSGFyZG91aW4=?= <jhardouin-at-infoblox.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] =?utf-8?B?Q3JpY2tldCBMaXUgRXZlbnQ6IFBhdGNoIE5vdyBvciBQYXkgTGF0ZXI6IE5ZQywgT2N0b2JlciAx?=
  12. 2008-09-10 Ruben <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Vectors as parameters in constructors
  13. 2008-09-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] 9-11
  14. 2008-09-11 From: "Ronny Abraham" <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] 9-11
  15. 2008-09-11 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] 9-11
  16. 2008-09-11 From: <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] 9-11
  17. 2008-09-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] In case you missed it
  18. 2008-09-12 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] In case you missed it
  19. 2008-09-12 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] In case you missed it
  20. 2008-09-12 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Multiple Webservers, 1 IP#
  21. 2008-09-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Multiple Webservers, 1 IP#
  22. 2008-09-12 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT]
  23. 2008-09-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Its a war
  24. 2008-09-12 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Multiple Webservers, 1 IP#
  25. 2008-09-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Gimp Filters
  26. 2008-09-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [malmonte-at-searchedp.com: HP-UX Senior Systems Analyst.]
  27. 2008-09-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Free Software Chamber of Commerce: Healthcare Focus] 13 O Aug 11 Jesse Becker ( 26) Re: [Dclug] Results
  28. 2008-09-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Next NYLXS Meeting
  29. 2008-09-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Meetup.Com
  30. 2008-09-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Living On Cat Food
  31. 2008-09-16 From: "Ronny Abraham" <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Living On Cat Food
  32. 2008-09-16 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Living On Cat Food
  33. 2008-09-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Living On Cat Food
  34. 2008-09-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Living On Cat Food
  35. 2008-09-16 From: =?utf-8?B?SmFzb24gSGFyZG91aW4=?= <jhardouin-at-infoblox.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] =?utf-8?B?Q3JpY2tldCBMaXUgRXZlbnQ6IFBhdGNoIE5vdyBvciBQYXkgTGF0ZXI6IE5ZQywgT2N0b2JlciAx?=
  36. 2008-09-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Cricket Liu Event: Patch Now or Pay Later: NYC, October 1
  37. 2008-09-16 From: "Ronny Abraham" <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Living On Cat Food
  38. 2008-09-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Living On Cat Food
  39. 2008-09-16 From: "Ronny Abraham" <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Living On Cat Food
  40. 2008-09-16 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Lenovo halts online sales of Linux-based PCs
  41. 2008-09-16 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Next NYLXS Meeting
  42. 2008-09-16 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Living On Cat Food
  43. 2008-09-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Events-at-enterpriseannounce.com: Join Us - Exclusive Executive Luncheon]
  44. 2008-09-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] C++ Instructor
  45. 2008-09-17 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Living On Cat Food
  46. 2008-09-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Living On Cat Food
  47. 2008-09-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [raj-at-brainlink.com: Followup from our call]
  48. 2008-09-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [malmonte-at-searchedp.com: Website Project/Technical Manager.]
  49. 2008-09-17 email <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Living On Cat Food
  50. 2008-09-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting
  51. 2008-09-18 richard-at-weait.com Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYC Open Source Mapping event this weekend
  52. 2008-09-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRM is Theft
  53. 2008-09-21 Kevin Mark <kevin.mark-at-verizon.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRM is Theft
  54. 2008-09-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRM is Theft
  55. 2008-09-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Meeting Tomorrow
  56. 2008-09-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Events-at-enterpriseannounce.com: Join Us - Exclusive Seminar at Smith & Wollensky]
  57. 2008-09-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [malmonte-at-searchedp.com: PERL Developer]
  58. 2008-09-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Killing a Posted Refresh
  59. 2008-09-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Advanced Internet in Jersey City
  60. 2008-09-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Glade-- for SuSE 9.4 or 9.3
  61. 2008-09-25 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Meeting Tomorrow
  62. 2008-09-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Meeting Tomorrow
  63. 2008-09-25 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Meeting Tomorrow
  64. 2008-09-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Shana Tova
  65. 2008-09-29 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Shana Tova
  66. 2008-09-29 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Shana Tova
  67. 2008-09-29 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Shana Tova
  68. 2008-09-29 email <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] wget & mirrors
  69. 2008-09-30 Mark Simko <msimko-at-optonline.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] wget & mirrors
  70. 2008-09-30 Mark Simko <msimko-at-optonline.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] wget & mirrors
  71. 2008-09-30 Matthew <mph-at-dorsai.org> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] wget & mirrors
  72. 2008-09-30 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] wget & mirrors
  73. 2008-09-30 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] wget & mirrors
  74. 2008-09-30 From: "armando fonseca" <afonsec2-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Shana Tova
  75. 2008-09-30 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Shana Tova

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