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DATE 2010-11-01

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MESSAGE
DATE 2010-11-28
FROM From: "Ron Guerin"
SUBJECT Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] "Novell also plans to sell some intellectual
Ruben Safir wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 08:20:00PM -0500, Paul Robert Marino wrote:
>
>> Although there is a silver lining in this. > If Microsoft goes
>> the SCO route with litigation it would rais an intresting conflict
>> between software patent law and anti trust law that in the passt
>> has always been worked around by breaking up a company >
>>
>
>
> EXCELLENT point. The thing is that MS just isn't as selfdetructive as
> SCO.
>
>

My two cents is that all of this is true (including previous comments
about BSD being in the same boat as Linux), except that Linux is
regarded as a serious competitor by Microsoft (moreso than Apple
apparently), BSD not, and Unix much less so than before. BSD will be
vulnerable in the same ways Linux is, but it's probably just too
insignificant for Microsoft to bother caring about.

In the meantime, we still don't know which patents, or much about this
"Microsoft-organized consortium", but it's probably harmless, more of a
defensive patent pool than anything else. Novell has after all, in the
past, managed to extract some significant sums from Microsoft
infringements. They're just as afraid of Novell's patents as we are of
them acquiring those patents.

At the end of the day, the problem continues to be not someone's
specific patents, but that software patents are granted to anyone for
any reason.

And I'll add to Ruben's remark, in that Microsoft originally provided
SCO with significant assistance, .... until Darl McBride started
blabbing about it in the press. Microsoft then had nothing to do with
SCO. They're many things in Redmond, but not suicidal. Microsoft won't
be caught anywhere near Son of SCO. Microsoft's whole schtick is FUD
and publicizing sucker licensing deals whereby Microsoft finds a sucker
who'll pay them, or receive other consideration, or at least endure the
embarrassment of being seen accepting a license to use Linux.

- Ron

  1. 2010-11-01 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Technight - Next Sunday Evening
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  5. 2010-11-01 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Technight - Next Sunday Evening
  6. 2010-11-01 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Speaking of Local News
  7. 2010-11-01 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Speaking of Local News
  8. 2010-11-02 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Technight - Next Sunday Evening
  9. 2010-11-03 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Technight - Next Sunday Evening
  10. 2010-11-03 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Technight - Next Sunday Evening
  11. 2010-11-03 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Technight - Next Sunday Evening
  12. 2010-11-03 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Technight - Next Sunday Evening
  13. 2010-11-03 Robert Menes <viewtiful.icchan-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Technight - Next Sunday Evening
  14. 2010-11-03 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] How To...
  15. 2010-11-03 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Technight - Next Sunday Evening
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  18. 2010-11-03 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] How To...
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  21. 2010-11-04 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] How To...
  22. 2010-11-04 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] How To...
  23. 2010-11-06 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Lifting of blogger's story triggers online furor
  24. 2010-11-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Lifting of blogger's story triggers online
  25. 2010-11-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] How To...
  26. 2010-11-07 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] How To...
  27. 2010-11-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] How To...
  28. 2010-11-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] How To...
  29. 2010-11-07 From: "Ron Guerin" <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Lifting of blogger's story triggers online
  30. 2010-11-07 Kevin Mark <kevin.mark-at-verizon.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Lifting of blogger's story triggers online
  31. 2010-11-08 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Technite - Last Night
  32. 2010-11-08 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Technite - Last Night
  33. 2010-11-08 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Let's check out the video tape
  34. 2010-11-08 From: "Ron Guerin" <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Let's check out the video tape
  35. 2010-11-08 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Let's check out the video tape
  36. 2010-11-08 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Let's check out the video tape
  37. 2010-11-08 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Let's check out the video tape
  38. 2010-11-08 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Let's check out the video tape
  39. 2010-11-08 From: "Ron Guerin" <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Let's check out the video tape
  40. 2010-11-09 Paul Charles Leddy <pcleddy-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Let's check out the video tape
  41. 2010-11-09 Paul Charles Leddy <pcleddy-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Let's check out the video tape
  42. 2010-11-09 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Let's check out the video tape
  43. 2010-11-09 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Let's check out the video tape
  44. 2010-11-09 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Technite - Last Night
  45. 2010-11-09 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: [Paranoia-dev] PATCH: slight memleak in
  46. 2010-11-11 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLUG talk
  47. 2010-11-13 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Murderer Caught
  48. 2010-11-14 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Ruben
  49. 2010-11-14 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Ruben. Please call me. Thanks.
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  51. 2010-11-14 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] So this is spam or not
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  60. 2010-11-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] So this is spam or not
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  67. 2010-11-18 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Monitor Burnout
  68. 2010-11-18 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Monitor Burnout
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  70. 2010-11-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sunday Meeting
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  73. 2010-11-22 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT]
  74. 2010-11-22 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] "Novell also plans to sell some intellectual
  75. 2010-11-22 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell acquired by Attachmate, sells some patents to Microsoft
  76. 2010-11-22 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] "Novell also plans to sell some intellectual
  77. 2010-11-22 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] "Novell also plans to sell some intellectual property assets for $450 million to a consortium of technology companies organized by Microsoft." Argh!
  78. 2010-11-22 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] "Novell also plans to sell some intellectual
  79. 2010-11-22 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] "Novell also plans to sell some intellectual property assets for $450 million to a consortium of technology companies organized by Microsoft." Argh!
  80. 2010-11-22 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] "Novell also plans to sell some intellectual property assets for $450 million to a consortium of technology companies organized by Microsoft." Argh!
  81. 2010-11-22 Paul Charles Leddy <pcleddy-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell acquired by Attachmate, sells some
  82. 2010-11-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell acquired by Attachmate, sells some
  83. 2010-11-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell acquired by Attachmate, sells some
  84. 2010-11-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell acquired by Attachmate, sells some
  85. 2010-11-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell acquired by Attachmate, sells some
  86. 2010-11-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] "Novell also plans to sell some intellectual
  87. 2010-11-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] "Novell also plans to sell some intellectual
  88. 2010-11-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] "Novell also plans to sell some intellectual
  89. 2010-11-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell acquired by Attachmate, sells some
  90. 2010-11-23 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Ruben
  91. 2010-11-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Ruben
  92. 2010-11-23 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Ruben
  93. 2010-11-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Ruben
  94. 2010-11-23 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Ruben
  95. 2010-11-23 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Two Words
  96. 2010-11-23 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [FCNYC] OFFER:Hewlett packard LPr and Compaq PL1850R Server units
  97. 2010-11-24 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [FCNYC] OFFER:Hewlett packard LPr and Compaq
  98. 2010-11-25 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [FCNYC] OFFER:Hewlett packard LPr and
  99. 2010-11-25 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Happy Thanksgiving
  100. 2010-11-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Creating a Clock in C++
  101. 2010-11-28 From: "Ron Guerin" <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] "Novell also plans to sell some intellectual
  102. 2010-11-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] "Novell also plans to sell some intellectual
  103. 2010-11-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Drinks this evening?
  104. 2010-11-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Wikileaks
  105. 2010-11-29 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Open source software more suitable for Oxford
  106. 2010-11-29 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] "Novell also plans to sell some intellectual
  107. 2010-11-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Open source software more suitable for Oxford
  108. 2010-11-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Open source software more suitable for Oxford
  109. 2010-11-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] "Novell also plans to sell some intellectual
  110. 2010-11-30 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [thomas-at-suse.de: [security-announce] SUSE Security Summary Report:
  111. 2010-11-30 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] jobs

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