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MESSAGE
DATE 2011-12-05
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [nylug-talk] Tuesday 6 December 2011 NYLUG: General Meeting
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From: Ruben Safir
To: hangout-at-nylug.org
Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [nylug-talk] Tuesday 6 December 2011 NYLUG: General Meeting
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For anyone who is paying attention:

----- Forwarded message from Ruben Safir -----

>
> So you're saying an announcemnt about a NYLUG event shouldn't go to the NYLUG
> mailing list? ? I didn't see 15 mailing lists as recipients of that email, so
> if it went to different lists, they were sent separately.
>

That wasn't a NYLUG announcement. That was Jay sending his stuff
around, and speaking for NYLUG.


> > As it is, AS A FACT, those who are incorperating NYLUG have grave
> > reservations about how and when to widen NYLUGs membership
> > respresentation, and having 30 strangers show up at this meeting, all
> > members of "The Call" press room who have no interest in NYLUG, is not
> > going to be in anyway helpful.
>
> If a NYLUG member posting an invitation/reminder to an open NYLUG event is
> deemed as wrong, then there's something seriously wrong here.
>

That would be true, and you should read a history lesson.


> Someone else posting an invitation might be unusual, but what you've posted is
> derrogatory, discriminitory, and is not respectful of other people's opinions.

What I'm telling you, Chris, is FACTUAL. Jay has, as a fact, previously
tried to pack meetings with like minded outsiders and to turn
orgnaizations inside out, and even attempt to take them over.

Domains have been stolen, trademarks disputed over, and a ton of other
obnoxious troubles have been created. Lookup the history of Orgcom, for
one thing.


>
> I'm now giving you a warning, because that's against the list rules.
>
> > And FWIW, as a fact, NYLUG is NOT a Democracy at the moment, something
> > which a good charter will hopefully change. And after that, it will not
> > be an Anarcist organziation either.
> >
> > Whether the event is OPEN or not is not the issue. Of course it is
> > open. Whether 10 people speak for NYLUG and represent it, that is the
> > issue. And BTW - no one who has followed the history of NY free
> > software groups would have found any of this unpredictable.
>
> NYLUG is its members.

No - it is not. NYLUG is a pending corperation looking for 501C
tax status, and that is why there is going to be a meeting.
And BTW - that is why Ron is so upset, and why all these people who have
their hearts in the right places, are in dispute about what to do. I
hope you can make it on Tuesday evening. I think it is important for
you to be there.


> When someone comes to a NYLUG meeting, that's most of
> who they'll meet. Same for the mailing list. The NYLUG members represent
> NYLUG more than you might realize, regardless of whether that's "official" or
> not.

No Chris. That is not right. NYLUG has certain real assets, like the
NYLUG mailing list, the NYLUG hardware, the nylug domain name, which is
registered to Aaron Grogan, for some reason, and other real assets, not
the least of which is its reputation and name.

NYLUG being owned by its members, at THIS juncture, is a dream and has
been an illusion for years. It has been a benevolent dictatorship,
like the Linux Kernal itself, with legal ownership by Jim Gleason and
run over the last decade by Jim and Ari, and then Peter, and Ron and
then Ron and company, and then Ron and Brian, all still owned by Jim,
who has largely been inactive.


The FACT that NYLUG was incorperated is what has now changed. Now it
can continue being a form of benovolent dictatorship, in this case by
the offices who incorperated it, OR it can become a member drive
organization. That is what is on the table for discussion on Tuesday.

Ruben


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http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002

"Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"

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"> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.<
You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess you missed that one."

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  1. 2011-12-01 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Ron Call me
  2. 2011-12-01 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Charter
  3. 2011-12-01 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Ten Reasons - Nothing has changed
  4. 2011-12-03 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [conspire] Lessons from CarrierIQ
  5. 2011-12-03 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [conspire] Lessons from CarrierIQ
  6. 2011-12-03 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [conspire] Lessons from CarrierIQ
  7. 2011-12-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Lessons from CarrierIQ (was: Mashable - The Social Media Guide)
  8. 2011-12-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Call me also please
  9. 2011-12-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [nylug-talk] Tuesday 6 December 2011 NYLUG: General Meeting
  10. 2011-12-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLUG tomorrow
  11. 2011-12-06 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Party like a Pirate!!
  12. 2011-12-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Shout Out!!
  13. 2011-12-07 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Shout Out!!
  14. 2011-12-07 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Shout Out!!
  15. 2011-12-07 Ruben Safir <ceo.brooklyn-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Shout Out!!
  16. 2011-12-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Pearl Harbor
  17. 2011-12-07 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Pearl Harbor
  18. 2011-12-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Pearl Harbor
  19. 2011-12-07 Robert Menes <viewtiful.icchan-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Pearl Harbor
  20. 2011-12-07 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Pearl Harbor
  21. 2011-12-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Pearl Harbor
  22. 2011-12-07 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Pearl Harbor
  23. 2011-12-07 Robert Menes <viewtiful.icchan-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Pearl Harbor
  24. 2011-12-08 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New Linux Tends
  25. 2011-12-08 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Eh
  26. 2011-12-09 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Linux Pinup girls
  27. 2011-12-09 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Security Updates for older suse dstros
  28. 2011-12-09 Ruben Safir <ceo.brooklyn-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] 3d Printing
  29. 2011-12-09 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Eh
  30. 2011-12-09 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Eh
  31. 2011-12-09 Ruben Safir <ceo.brooklyn-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Eh
  32. 2011-12-09 Ruben Safir <ceo.brooklyn-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Eh
  33. 2011-12-09 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] GNU in Medicine
  34. 2011-12-14 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Linux Job Market
  35. 2011-12-14 Redpill <redpill-at-rcn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Linux Job Market
  36. 2011-12-14 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Linux Job Market
  37. 2011-12-14 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] A simple perl script
  38. 2011-12-14 Ruben Safir <ceo.brooklyn-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] A simple perl script
  39. 2011-12-14 Ruben Safir <ceo.brooklyn-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] A simple perl script
  40. 2011-12-14 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] A simple perl script
  41. 2011-12-14 Kevin Mark <kevin.mark-at-verizon.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] A simple perl script
  42. 2011-12-15 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] A simple perl script
  43. 2011-12-15 Kevin Mark <kevin.mark-at-verizon.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] A simple perl script
  44. 2011-12-15 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [nylug-talk] collaboration platform for the charter
  45. 2011-12-15 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] A simple perl script
  46. 2011-12-15 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Ip Wars
  47. 2011-12-15 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] IP Wars II
  48. 2011-12-15 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] IP Wars III
  49. 2011-12-15 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Yvette Clark Phone Number
  50. 2011-12-15 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fight Censorship
  51. 2011-12-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Get Rid of the Pigs Now
  52. 2011-12-16 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Get Rid of the Pigs Now
  53. 2011-12-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Stop it ALREADY!!
  54. 2011-12-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Get Rid of the Pigs Now
  55. 2011-12-16 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Get Rid of the Pigs Now
  56. 2011-12-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] What a Pig sounds like when it talks
  57. 2011-12-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Re: [nylug-talk] What a Pig sounds like when it talks
  58. 2011-12-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: SOPA still scheduled for vote
  59. 2011-12-17 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Re: [nylug-talk] What a Pig sounds like when it talks
  60. 2011-12-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] SOPA - The JOB DESTROYER
  61. 2011-12-19 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Reckless Congress
  62. 2011-12-19 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Death of Marriage
  63. 2011-12-22 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Jan 17th NYLUG meeting
  64. 2011-12-22 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Jan 17th NYLUG meeting
  65. 2011-12-23 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Left-Right Alliance against SOPA
  66. 2011-12-24 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Tough Day at the Office
  67. 2011-12-25 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Left-Right Alliance against SOPA
  68. 2011-12-25 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Left-Right Alliance against SOPA
  69. 2011-12-26 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Maybe it was SOPA
  70. 2011-12-26 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Maybe it was SOPA
  71. 2011-12-26 Ruben Safir <ceo.brooklyn-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Maybe it was SOPA
  72. 2011-12-27 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Tech Jobs in Brooklyn
  73. 2011-12-29 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Linux Hardware Vendor
  74. 2011-12-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Linux Hardware Vendor
  75. 2011-12-31 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Is this worth a try?
  76. 2011-12-31 Ronny <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Is this worth a try?
  77. 2011-12-31 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Is this worth a try?

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