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DATE 2011-12-15
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] IP Wars III
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The godfathers of the internet oppose SOPA and PIPA
EFF wants a button pushed on internet laws
By Dave Neal
Thu Dec 15 2011, 09:27

A GROUP OF INTERNET HEAVYWEIGHTS have written to the US Congress with
their arguments against the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) and Protect-IP
Act (PIPA).

The letter comes from the Electronic Frontier Foundation and is
undersigned by internet engineers like Vint Cerf, Paul Vixie, author of
BIND, and Jim Gettys, editor of the HTTP 1.1 protocol standard, and is
in no doubt that SOPA is a very bad thing.

"We, the undersigned, have played various parts in building a network
called the Internet. We wrote and debugged the software; we defined the
standards and protocols that talk over that network. Many of us invented
parts of it. We're just a little proud of the social and economic
benefits that our project, the Internet, has brought with it," they
write in the letter, which is signed by over fifty of their peers.

The letter is a follow-up to one sent last year about proposed COICA
copyright and censorship legislation. Now they have repeated their
concerns with respect to SOPA and PIPA, saying "in many respects, these
proposals are worse than the one we were alarmed to read last year".

They warn that if the bills are enacted they will bring down a curtain
of fear over the internet and technological innovation that will
"seriously harm the credibility of the US in its role as a steward of
key Internet infrastructure".

The bills could break DNS, according to the letter, and have other
"capricious technical consequences", while creating the sort of
two-tiered internet that no one wants.

"Such legislation would engender censorship that will simultaneously be
circumvented by deliberate infringers while hampering innocent parties'
right and ability to communicate and express themselves online," they
add.

"All censorship schemes impact speech beyond the category they were
intended to restrict, but these bills are particularly egregious in that
regard because they cause entire domains to vanish from the Web, not
just infringing pages or files. Worse, an incredible range of useful,
law-abiding sites can be blacklisted under these proposals."

These are internet engineers of course, and they have concerns that run
deeper than the headline opposition to SOPA and PIPA. The letter warns
that Congress wants to make censorship and compliance a design
requirement for internet software, which is counter to the way they
worked when they were developing their software and protocols.

"This can only damage the security of the network, and give
authoritarian governments more power over what their citizens can read
and publish," adds the letter as it reminds the US government not to
make the sorts of decisions and rules for which it criticises other
governments.

"The US government has regularly claimed that it supports a free and
open Internet, both domestically and abroad. We cannot have a free and
open Internet unless its naming and routing systems sit above the
political concerns and objectives of any one government or industry,"
they warn.

"Senators, Congressmen, we believe the Internet is too important and too
valuable to be endangered in this way, and implore you to put these
bills aside." µ

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  3. 2011-12-01 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Ten Reasons - Nothing has changed
  4. 2011-12-03 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [conspire] Lessons from CarrierIQ
  5. 2011-12-03 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [conspire] Lessons from CarrierIQ
  6. 2011-12-03 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [conspire] Lessons from CarrierIQ
  7. 2011-12-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Lessons from CarrierIQ (was: Mashable - The Social Media Guide)
  8. 2011-12-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Call me also please
  9. 2011-12-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [nylug-talk] Tuesday 6 December 2011 NYLUG: General Meeting
  10. 2011-12-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLUG tomorrow
  11. 2011-12-06 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Party like a Pirate!!
  12. 2011-12-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Shout Out!!
  13. 2011-12-07 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Shout Out!!
  14. 2011-12-07 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Shout Out!!
  15. 2011-12-07 Ruben Safir <ceo.brooklyn-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Shout Out!!
  16. 2011-12-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Pearl Harbor
  17. 2011-12-07 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Pearl Harbor
  18. 2011-12-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Pearl Harbor
  19. 2011-12-07 Robert Menes <viewtiful.icchan-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Pearl Harbor
  20. 2011-12-07 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Pearl Harbor
  21. 2011-12-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Pearl Harbor
  22. 2011-12-07 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Pearl Harbor
  23. 2011-12-07 Robert Menes <viewtiful.icchan-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Pearl Harbor
  24. 2011-12-08 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New Linux Tends
  25. 2011-12-08 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Eh
  26. 2011-12-09 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Linux Pinup girls
  27. 2011-12-09 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Security Updates for older suse dstros
  28. 2011-12-09 Ruben Safir <ceo.brooklyn-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] 3d Printing
  29. 2011-12-09 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Eh
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  31. 2011-12-09 Ruben Safir <ceo.brooklyn-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Eh
  32. 2011-12-09 Ruben Safir <ceo.brooklyn-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Eh
  33. 2011-12-09 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] GNU in Medicine
  34. 2011-12-14 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Linux Job Market
  35. 2011-12-14 Redpill <redpill-at-rcn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Linux Job Market
  36. 2011-12-14 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Linux Job Market
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  38. 2011-12-14 Ruben Safir <ceo.brooklyn-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] A simple perl script
  39. 2011-12-14 Ruben Safir <ceo.brooklyn-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] A simple perl script
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  51. 2011-12-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Get Rid of the Pigs Now
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  53. 2011-12-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Stop it ALREADY!!
  54. 2011-12-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Get Rid of the Pigs Now
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