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MESSAGE
DATE 2013-05-30
FROM Paul Robert Marino
SUBJECT Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] I think Hell just froze over
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Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] I think Hell just froze over
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Rubin

This is not the war you think it is. If you read the article It explains
what the new war is. Its the war for the Cloud which Microsoft started out
at a big disadvantage compared to Linux and VMmare.

Truth be told Microsoft has been participating in open source cloud
software development for a few years now as a member of the OpenStack
steering comity, but this is the first time the open sourced a critical
component of Windows itself.

also I don't know how many other people noticed this but Microsoft very
quickly came out with a cloud platform very quickly after OpenStack with
its shinny Apache 2 license began supporting Windows Hyper-V hypervisor
nodes.

by the way in case any one doesn't know what a hypervisor is its an old
mainframe term thats popped up again in PC equipment in the last decade and
a half.
essentially it is hardware and or software that allows you to divide a
single physical computer into multiple logical (A.K.A. virtual ) computers.
In mainframes and mini, and super computers this is done on the hardware
level and could be controlled via software.
modern PC equipment when para-virtualization is used the hypervisor is
hardware/software hybrid in full virtualization the hypervisor is software.



On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 1:41 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:

> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 11:22:07AM -0400, Paul Robert Marino wrote:
> > Recently a vendor who makes Linux appliances who was trying to sell them
> to
> > my company told me something shocking and whats even more shocking is its
> > true.
> > First some background for the last couple of years Ive been working on a
> > pure Perl API for CIM (Common Information Model ) an old but very useful
> > standard written by the DMTF that in many ways makes SNMP look like a
> > ridiculous relic. CIM is the parent protocol for a lot of other
> > standardized protocols for managing and monitoring systems, virtual
> > machines, storage infrastructures, etc. Some of the most common
> > implementations of it are SBLIM on GNU Linux, SMI-S on storage devices,
> the
> > VMware vSphere APIs, Dell OpenManage, HP System Insight Manager, WMI on
> > Windows, and many more.
> >
> > Now to the point. Well it seams Microsoft decided to drop a new bomb I've
> > never seen from them before. Microsoft wrote a new WBEM (Web Based
> > Enterprise Management) server for Windows Server 2012 which is the server
> > side component of the CIM standard to serve up WMI. the shocking part is
> > they made it so it compiles under Linux and Unix and released the code
> > under the Apache 2 license.
> >
>
>
> This is an aweful long diatribe to get to a point :)
>
> Its a lot of initials as well. I'll never be hired in IT again because
> of the accronyms.
>
>
> > No this is not a joke its real, Microsoft is releasing open source
> software!
> >
> http://blogs.technet.com/b/windowsserver/archive/2012/06/28/open-management-infrastructure.aspx
> >
> > Ive been speculating for a few years now that they might start doing this
> > based on the fact that they let the Samba core developers see the windows
> > source code and all of their patents after the samba developers signing
> > NDA's (Non Disclosure Agreement) and they did a similar thing with
> > Microsoft Exchange and the core developers of Open Change (Open Change is
> > an open source clone of Microsoft Exchange which is still not complete
> yet
> > but its getting there).
>
>
> I think they precieve this as the last battle in a forgotten war which
> they have no desire to invest resources in. I think everyone believes
> the general PC to be dead, and it is very disconcerting and weird.
>
>
> > Still this is shocking and is going to
> > significantly change the software and OS landscape, but I'm honestly just
> > not sure how yet. Is It going to be a good thing , a bad thing ? I don't
> > know! Now to be clear its open source not free speech software so they
> are
> > still protecting their sales, but still its unprecedented for Microsoft,
> > the company whos co-founder (You know the one) came up with the concept
> of
> > software licenses in the first place to prevent users from sharing
> software
> >
> http://www.digibarn.com/collections/newsletters/homebrew/V2_01/gatesletter.html
> .
> >
> >
> > The only thing I can think of that could explain this a large squadren of
> > pigs flew into Hell and bomed it with liquid nitrogen till it froze.
>

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Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Rubin

This is not the war you think it i=
s. If you read the article It explains what the new war is. Its the war for=
the Cloud which Microsoft started out at a big disadvantage compared to Li=
nux and VMmare.


Truth be told Microsoft has been participating in open =
source cloud software development for a few years now as a member of the Op=
enStack steering comity, but this is the first time the open sourced a crit=
ical component of Windows itself.


also I don't know how many other people noticed this but=
Microsoft very quickly came out with a cloud platform very quickly after O=
penStack with its shinny Apache 2 license began supporting Windows Hyper-V =
hypervisor nodes.


by the way in case any one doesn't know what a hyperviso=
r is its an old mainframe term thats popped up again in PC equipment in the=
last decade and a half.
essentially it is hardware and or so=
ftware that allows you to divide a single physical computer into multiple l=
ogical (A.K.A. virtual ) computers.

In mainframes and mini, and super computers this is done on the =
hardware level and could be controlled via software.
modern P=
C equipment when para-virtualization is used the hypervisor is hardware/sof=
tware hybrid in full virtualization the hypervisor is software.




quote">On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 1:41 PM, Ruben Safir <<=
a href=3D"mailto:mrbrklyn-at-panix.com" target=3D"_blank">mrbrklyn-at-panix.coma>>
wrote:

x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 11=
:22:07AM -0400, Paul Robert Marino wrote:

> Recently a vendor who makes Linux appliances who was trying to sell th=
em to

> my company told me something shocking and whats even more shocking is =
its

> true.

> First some background for the last couple of years Ive been working on=
a

> pure Perl API for CIM (Common Information Model ) an old but very usef=
ul

> standard written by the DMTF that in many ways makes SNMP look like a<=
br>
> ridiculous relic. CIM is the parent protocol for a lot of other

> standardized protocols for managing and monitoring systems, virtual>
> machines, storage infrastructures, etc. Some of the most common

> implementations of it are SBLIM on GNU Linux, SMI-S on storage devices=
, the

> VMware vSphere APIs, Dell OpenManage, HP System Insight Manager, WMI o=
n

> Windows, and many more.

>

> Now to the point. Well it seams Microsoft decided to drop a new bomb I=
've

> never seen from them before. Microsoft wrote a new WBEM (Web Based

> Enterprise Management) server for Windows Server 2012 which is the ser=
ver

> side component of the CIM standard to serve up WMI. the shocking part =
is

> they made it so it compiles under Linux and Unix and released the code=


> under the Apache 2 license.

>





This is an aweful long diatribe to get to a point :)



Its a lot of initials as well. =A0I'll never be hired in IT again becau=
se

of the accronyms.





> No this is not a joke its real, Microsoft is releasing open source sof=
tware!

> /open-management-infrastructure.aspx" target=3D"_blank">http://blogs.techne=
t.com/b/windowsserver/archive/2012/06/28/open-management-infrastructure.asp=
x



>

> Ive been speculating for a few years now that they might start doing t=
his

> based on the fact that they let the Samba core developers see the wind=
ows

> source code and all of their patents after the samba developers signin=
g

> NDA's (Non Disclosure Agreement) and they did a similar thing with=


> Microsoft Exchange and the core developers of Open Change (Open Change=
is

> an open source clone of =A0Microsoft Exchange which is still not compl=
ete yet

> but its getting there).





I think they precieve this as the last battle in a forgotten war whic=
h

they have no desire to invest resources in. =A0I think everyone believes>
the general PC to be dead, and it is very disconcerting and weird.





> =A0Still this is shocking and is going to

> significantly change the software and OS landscape, but I'm honest=
ly just

> not sure how yet. Is It going to be a good thing , a bad thing ? I don=
't

> know! Now to be clear its open source not free speech software so they=
are

> still protecting their sales, but still its unprecedented for Microsof=
t,

> the company whos co-founder (You know the one) came up with the concep=
t of

> software licenses in the first place to prevent users from sharing sof=
tware

> _01/gatesletter.html" target=3D"_blank">http://www.digibarn.com/collections=
/newsletters/homebrew/V2_01/gatesletter.html
.

>

>

> The only thing I can think of that could explain this a large squadren=
of

> pigs flew into Hell and bomed it with liquid nitrogen till it froze.r>



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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Rubin

This is not the war you think it is. If you read the article It explains
what the new war is. Its the war for the Cloud which Microsoft started out
at a big disadvantage compared to Linux and VMmare.

Truth be told Microsoft has been participating in open source cloud
software development for a few years now as a member of the OpenStack
steering comity, but this is the first time the open sourced a critical
component of Windows itself.

also I don't know how many other people noticed this but Microsoft very
quickly came out with a cloud platform very quickly after OpenStack with
its shinny Apache 2 license began supporting Windows Hyper-V hypervisor
nodes.

by the way in case any one doesn't know what a hypervisor is its an old
mainframe term thats popped up again in PC equipment in the last decade and
a half.
essentially it is hardware and or software that allows you to divide a
single physical computer into multiple logical (A.K.A. virtual ) computers.
In mainframes and mini, and super computers this is done on the hardware
level and could be controlled via software.
modern PC equipment when para-virtualization is used the hypervisor is
hardware/software hybrid in full virtualization the hypervisor is software.



On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 1:41 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:

> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 11:22:07AM -0400, Paul Robert Marino wrote:
> > Recently a vendor who makes Linux appliances who was trying to sell them
> to
> > my company told me something shocking and whats even more shocking is its
> > true.
> > First some background for the last couple of years Ive been working on a
> > pure Perl API for CIM (Common Information Model ) an old but very useful
> > standard written by the DMTF that in many ways makes SNMP look like a
> > ridiculous relic. CIM is the parent protocol for a lot of other
> > standardized protocols for managing and monitoring systems, virtual
> > machines, storage infrastructures, etc. Some of the most common
> > implementations of it are SBLIM on GNU Linux, SMI-S on storage devices,
> the
> > VMware vSphere APIs, Dell OpenManage, HP System Insight Manager, WMI on
> > Windows, and many more.
> >
> > Now to the point. Well it seams Microsoft decided to drop a new bomb I've
> > never seen from them before. Microsoft wrote a new WBEM (Web Based
> > Enterprise Management) server for Windows Server 2012 which is the server
> > side component of the CIM standard to serve up WMI. the shocking part is
> > they made it so it compiles under Linux and Unix and released the code
> > under the Apache 2 license.
> >
>
>
> This is an aweful long diatribe to get to a point :)
>
> Its a lot of initials as well. I'll never be hired in IT again because
> of the accronyms.
>
>
> > No this is not a joke its real, Microsoft is releasing open source
> software!
> >
> http://blogs.technet.com/b/windowsserver/archive/2012/06/28/open-management-infrastructure.aspx
> >
> > Ive been speculating for a few years now that they might start doing this
> > based on the fact that they let the Samba core developers see the windows
> > source code and all of their patents after the samba developers signing
> > NDA's (Non Disclosure Agreement) and they did a similar thing with
> > Microsoft Exchange and the core developers of Open Change (Open Change is
> > an open source clone of Microsoft Exchange which is still not complete
> yet
> > but its getting there).
>
>
> I think they precieve this as the last battle in a forgotten war which
> they have no desire to invest resources in. I think everyone believes
> the general PC to be dead, and it is very disconcerting and weird.
>
>
> > Still this is shocking and is going to
> > significantly change the software and OS landscape, but I'm honestly just
> > not sure how yet. Is It going to be a good thing , a bad thing ? I don't
> > know! Now to be clear its open source not free speech software so they
> are
> > still protecting their sales, but still its unprecedented for Microsoft,
> > the company whos co-founder (You know the one) came up with the concept
> of
> > software licenses in the first place to prevent users from sharing
> software
> >
> http://www.digibarn.com/collections/newsletters/homebrew/V2_01/gatesletter.html
> .
> >
> >
> > The only thing I can think of that could explain this a large squadren of
> > pigs flew into Hell and bomed it with liquid nitrogen till it froze.
>

--14dae9473aa987c0bc04ddeff92d
Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Rubin

This is not the war you think it i=
s. If you read the article It explains what the new war is. Its the war for=
the Cloud which Microsoft started out at a big disadvantage compared to Li=
nux and VMmare.


Truth be told Microsoft has been participating in open =
source cloud software development for a few years now as a member of the Op=
enStack steering comity, but this is the first time the open sourced a crit=
ical component of Windows itself.


also I don't know how many other people noticed this but=
Microsoft very quickly came out with a cloud platform very quickly after O=
penStack with its shinny Apache 2 license began supporting Windows Hyper-V =
hypervisor nodes.


by the way in case any one doesn't know what a hyperviso=
r is its an old mainframe term thats popped up again in PC equipment in the=
last decade and a half.
essentially it is hardware and or so=
ftware that allows you to divide a single physical computer into multiple l=
ogical (A.K.A. virtual ) computers.

In mainframes and mini, and super computers this is done on the =
hardware level and could be controlled via software.
modern P=
C equipment when para-virtualization is used the hypervisor is hardware/sof=
tware hybrid in full virtualization the hypervisor is software.




quote">On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 1:41 PM, Ruben Safir <<=
a href=3D"mailto:mrbrklyn-at-panix.com" target=3D"_blank">mrbrklyn-at-panix.coma>>
wrote:

x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 11=
:22:07AM -0400, Paul Robert Marino wrote:

> Recently a vendor who makes Linux appliances who was trying to sell th=
em to

> my company told me something shocking and whats even more shocking is =
its

> true.

> First some background for the last couple of years Ive been working on=
a

> pure Perl API for CIM (Common Information Model ) an old but very usef=
ul

> standard written by the DMTF that in many ways makes SNMP look like a<=
br>
> ridiculous relic. CIM is the parent protocol for a lot of other

> standardized protocols for managing and monitoring systems, virtual>
> machines, storage infrastructures, etc. Some of the most common

> implementations of it are SBLIM on GNU Linux, SMI-S on storage devices=
, the

> VMware vSphere APIs, Dell OpenManage, HP System Insight Manager, WMI o=
n

> Windows, and many more.

>

> Now to the point. Well it seams Microsoft decided to drop a new bomb I=
've

> never seen from them before. Microsoft wrote a new WBEM (Web Based

> Enterprise Management) server for Windows Server 2012 which is the ser=
ver

> side component of the CIM standard to serve up WMI. the shocking part =
is

> they made it so it compiles under Linux and Unix and released the code=


> under the Apache 2 license.

>





This is an aweful long diatribe to get to a point :)



Its a lot of initials as well. =A0I'll never be hired in IT again becau=
se

of the accronyms.





> No this is not a joke its real, Microsoft is releasing open source sof=
tware!

> /open-management-infrastructure.aspx" target=3D"_blank">http://blogs.techne=
t.com/b/windowsserver/archive/2012/06/28/open-management-infrastructure.asp=
x



>

> Ive been speculating for a few years now that they might start doing t=
his

> based on the fact that they let the Samba core developers see the wind=
ows

> source code and all of their patents after the samba developers signin=
g

> NDA's (Non Disclosure Agreement) and they did a similar thing with=


> Microsoft Exchange and the core developers of Open Change (Open Change=
is

> an open source clone of =A0Microsoft Exchange which is still not compl=
ete yet

> but its getting there).





I think they precieve this as the last battle in a forgotten war whic=
h

they have no desire to invest resources in. =A0I think everyone believes>
the general PC to be dead, and it is very disconcerting and weird.





> =A0Still this is shocking and is going to

> significantly change the software and OS landscape, but I'm honest=
ly just

> not sure how yet. Is It going to be a good thing , a bad thing ? I don=
't

> know! Now to be clear its open source not free speech software so they=
are

> still protecting their sales, but still its unprecedented for Microsof=
t,

> the company whos co-founder (You know the one) came up with the concep=
t of

> software licenses in the first place to prevent users from sharing sof=
tware

> _01/gatesletter.html" target=3D"_blank">http://www.digibarn.com/collections=
/newsletters/homebrew/V2_01/gatesletter.html
.

>

>

> The only thing I can think of that could explain this a large squadren=
of

> pigs flew into Hell and bomed it with liquid nitrogen till it froze.r>



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  1. 2013-05-01 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Definitions of running (was RE: RE: Complaining)
  2. 2013-05-01 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] web tracking
  3. 2013-05-01 From: "Redpill" <red.pill-at-verizon.net> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Oh come on, a little fraud isn't so bad...
  4. 2013-05-01 From: "Redpill" <red.pill-at-verizon.net> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Graphics and Photographs
  5. 2013-05-01 From: "Redpill" <red.pill-at-verizon.net> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Graphics and Photographs
  6. 2013-05-02 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Graphics and Photographs
  7. 2013-05-02 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Graphics and Photographs
  8. 2013-05-02 Robert Menes <viewtiful.icchan-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Graphics and Photographs
  9. 2013-05-03 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Graphics and Photographs
  10. 2013-05-03 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Oh come on, a little fraud isn't so bad...
  11. 2013-05-03 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] midnight stipers
  12. 2013-05-03 From: "Redpill" <red.pill-at-verizon.net> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Graphics and Photographs
  13. 2013-05-03 From: "Redpill" <red.pill-at-verizon.net> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Oh come on, a little fraud isn't so bad...
  14. 2013-05-03 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Graphics and Photographs
  15. 2013-05-03 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Oh come on, a little fraud isn't so bad...
  16. 2013-05-03 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Graphics and Photographs
  17. 2013-05-03 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Graphics and Photographs
  18. 2013-05-03 From: "Redpill" <red.pill-at-verizon.net> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Graphics and Photographs
  19. 2013-05-03 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Graphics and Photographs
  20. 2013-05-03 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Graphics and Photographs
  21. 2013-05-03 From: "Redpill" <red.pill-at-verizon.net> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Graphics and Photographs
  22. 2013-05-03 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Graphics and Photographs
  23. 2013-05-03 From: "Redpill" <red.pill-at-verizon.net> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Graphics and Photographs
  24. 2013-05-03 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Graphics and Photographs
  25. 2013-05-03 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Graphics and Photographs
  26. 2013-05-03 From: "Redpill" <red.pill-at-verizon.net> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Graphics and Photographs
  27. 2013-05-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] ready - aim --- fire
  28. 2013-05-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Stengths
  29. 2013-05-05 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Stengths
  30. 2013-05-05 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Stengths
  31. 2013-05-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Stengths
  32. 2013-05-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Stengths
  33. 2013-05-06 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Oh come on, a little fraud isn't so bad...
  34. 2013-05-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Re: [Israel.pm] Meeting Announcement
  35. 2013-05-09 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] blackberry email
  36. 2013-05-09 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Oh come on, a little fraud isn't so bad...
  37. 2013-05-09 From: "Redpill" <red.pill-at-verizon.net> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Oh come on, a little fraud isn't so bad...
  38. 2013-05-10 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] linux devices
  39. 2013-05-10 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Oh come on, a little fraud isn't so bad...
  40. 2013-05-10 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Oh come on, a little fraud isn't so bad...
  41. 2013-05-10 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] 12 years too late and not so impressive
  42. 2013-05-10 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Die Vorz?ge einer Teilnahme an einem SEO Kurs
  43. 2013-05-10 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Private Gun Buyers Intercept Folks At Police Buyback Program
  44. 2013-05-10 Ruben <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Age Discrimination in the Tech World.... the real deal
  45. 2013-05-10 From: "Redpill" <red.pill-at-verizon.net> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] 12 years too late and not so impressive
  46. 2013-05-11 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] 12 years too late and not so impressive
  47. 2013-05-12 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Cannon Camera Free Software
  48. 2013-05-12 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Oh come on, a little fraud isn't so bad...
  49. 2013-05-12 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: $25 for 5-9pm Half Day Afternoon Fishing Trip
  50. 2013-05-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: nixCraft Linux / UNIX Blog Newsletter
  51. 2013-05-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Tech Jobs overseas
  52. 2013-05-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Drugs are good
  53. 2013-05-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Oh come on, a little fraud isn't so bad...
  54. 2013-05-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Oh come on, a little fraud isn't so bad...
  55. 2013-05-18 From: "Redpill" <red.pill-at-verizon.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing Report
  56. 2013-05-18 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] ending the extended adulesence
  57. 2013-05-19 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Rocket Brigrade - At the ready Sir!
  58. 2013-05-19 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [edisoncareerfair-at-ncfairs.com: Edison Job Fair - Get Company List]
  59. 2013-05-21 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing Report
  60. 2013-05-21 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing Report
  61. 2013-05-22 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing Report
  62. 2013-05-22 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing Report
  63. 2013-05-24 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] where coding and science collide
  64. 2013-05-27 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [edisoncareerfair-at-ncfairs.com: Edison Job Fair - Get Company List]
  65. 2013-05-27 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing Report
  66. 2013-05-27 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing Report
  67. 2013-05-27 From: "Redpill" <red.pill-at-verizon.net> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing Report
  68. 2013-05-27 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Gorilla Marketing and B&H
  69. 2013-05-27 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing Report
  70. 2013-05-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fishing Report
  71. 2013-05-29 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] I think Hell just froze over
  72. 2013-05-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Oh come on, a little fraud isn't so bad...
  73. 2013-05-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Oh come on, a little fraud isn't so bad...
  74. 2013-05-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Oh come on, a little fraud isn't so bad...
  75. 2013-05-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Oh come on, a little fraud isn't so bad...
  76. 2013-05-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] I think Hell just froze over
  77. 2013-05-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: NTEN Connect: NPTech in the Cloud - Plus
  78. 2013-05-29 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] I think Hell just froze over
  79. 2013-05-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] summer jobs
  80. 2013-05-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] summer jobs
  81. 2013-05-30 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] continued retailed spying
  82. 2013-05-30 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Oh come on, a little fraud isn't so bad...
  83. 2013-05-30 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] I think Hell just froze over
  84. 2013-05-30 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] I think Hell just froze over
  85. 2013-05-31 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] cellphone technology is ....

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