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From: Elfen Magix
Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: [linux-elitists] Browser fingerprinting]
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When you can figure out when and where a person is going to be from day/wee=
ks/months/years of tracking, then you have that person where you want him a=
nytime, anywhere you want.=0A=0AThus far from Browser tracking, you and you=
r activity can be tracked and your future actions predicted accurately, thu=
s removing what freedoms you may have. Your Spending Habits studied, and ad=
s put up to force you to look at to sway your mind into "I need that.... [C=
LICK ON BUY BUTTON]" In worse case sceneros, in using your smartphones, it =
can be tracked through GPS or through its radio wave propagation to where y=
ou are at any given spot, and ads tailored to that information depending on=
your habits and where they take you. It does not take much programming to =
rip through this information to the point you get a text message commercial=
every time you pass by a given store location, forcing you to stop to look=
at the message and then look around and see the store right next to you. I=
f you go in to even look around, then they got=A0 you. And you don't call t=
his a danger? Its subliminal messaging on the worse levels. and Subliminal =
messaging is illegal. You
call this being free? I call that being leashed.=0A=0AIf you think you do =
not fit this mold, then what about your daughter and her friends? When they=
get such a text, they will go into the store and if they got money, buy. T=
his is an attack on you, your family, your money, and if you do not see thi=
s as a threat, than you are no better than the rest of the sheeple out ther=
e - no disrespect on you, your family or other sheeple.=0A=0AThe hook is ba=
ited, and it is casted into waters, waiting to see who bites on it. Are you=
or your family members going to bite?=0A=0AWhen I wrote video games back i=
n the 1980s, I was told that the game has to be written so that nobody wins=
, because "No matter how hard you play the game, you are not getting your q=
uarter back!" For me at best, I used be able to play Battle Zone for 3 hour=
s on one Quarter, but I never got that Quarter back!=0A=0A~Fernando=0A=0A=
=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Ruben Safir .com>=0ATo: hangout-at-nylxs.com =0ASent: Monday, October 21, 2013 5:53 AM=0AS=
ubject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: [linux-elitists] Browser=
fingerprinting]=0A =0A=0A----- Forwarded message from Ruben Safir rbrklyn.com> -----=0A=0ADate: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 01:04:19 -0400=0AFrom: Ruben=
Safir =0ATo: linux-elitists-at-zgp.org=0ASubject: Re: [li=
nux-elitists] Browser fingerprinting=0AUser-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15)=
=0A=0AOn Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 08:28:09AM -0500, Jeremy Hankins wrote:=0A> R=
uben Safir writes:=0A> =0A> > I don't care if they adv=
ertise on Monday beauty products=0A> > because on Monday women feel verniba=
ble.=A0 What I care about is that they=0A> > track my daughter on her trip =
to school.=0A> =0A> You have this exactly backwards, imo.=A0 Neither my dau=
ghter nor I are=0A> under any particular _personal_ threat from tracking.=
=A0 =0A=0A=0AYes - you are actually.=A0 And being so tracked is for FARM AN=
IMALS and=0Aand extermination camps, but incompatible with living as a free=
human=0Abeing.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A> In that sense I=0A> sympathize with people =
who say "Who the f** cares?" about tracking,=0A> targeted ads, and so on.=
=0A> =0A> The mistake they make is the same as the one you're making.=A0 Th=
ey fail=0A> to appreciate that these things shape our culture.=A0 =0A=0A=0A=
That is someones error, but not mine.=0A=0A=0A> Even if (hopefully)=0A> my =
daughter has enough self esteem and personal strength not to be=0A> affecte=
d by these ads, she's still living in a culture that they're=0A> shaping.=
=0A> =0A> -- =0A> Jeremy Hankins =0A> ____________________=
___________________________=0A> Do not Cc: anyone else on mail sent to this=
list.=A0 The list server is set for maximum one recipient.=0A> linux-eliti=
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through our town=0Athat Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological=0Apro=
portions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998=0Ahttp://www.mrbrklyn.com=
=0A=0ADRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002=0Ahttp://fair=
use.nylxs.com=0Ahttp://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Softw=
are=0Ahttp://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive =0Aof articl=
es from around the net=0Ahttp://www.coinhangout.com - coins!=0Ahttp://www.b=
rooklyn-living.com =0A_______________________________________________=0ADo =
not Cc: anyone else on mail sent to this list.=A0 The list server is set fo=
r maximum one recipient.=0Alinux-elitists mailing list=0Alinux-elitists-at-zgp=
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lveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;fo= nt-size:12pt">When you can figure out when and where a person is going to b= e from day/weeks/months/years of tracking, then you have that person where = you want him anytime, anywhere you want. Thus far from Browser track= ing, you and your activity can be tracked and your future actions predicted= accurately, thus removing what freedoms you may have. Your Spending Habits= studied, and ads put up to force you to look at to sway your mind into "I = need that.... [CLICK ON BUY BUTTON]" In worse case sceneros, in using your = smartphones, it can be tracked through GPS or through its radio wave propag= ation to where you are at any given spot, and ads tailored to that informat= ion depending on your habits and where they take you. It does not take much= programming to rip through this information to the point you get a text message commercial every time you pass by a given store location, for= cing you to stop to look at the message and then look around and see the st= ore right next to you. If you go in to even look around, then they got = ; you. And you don't call this a danger? Its subliminal messaging on the wo= rse levels. and Subliminal messaging is illegal. You call this being free? = I call that being leashed. If you think you do not fit this mold, th= en what about your daughter and her friends? When they get such a text, the= y will go into the store and if they got money, buy. This is an attack on y= ou, your family, your money, and if you do not see this as a threat, than y= ou are no better than the rest of the sheeple out there - no disrespect on = you, your family or other sheeple. The hook is baited, and it is cas= ted into waters, waiting to see who bites on it. Are you or your family mem= bers going to bite? When I wrote video games back in the 1980s, I was told that the game has to be written so that nobody wins, bec= ause "No matter how hard you play the game, you are not getting your quarte= r back!" For me at best, I used be able to play Battle Zone for 3 hours on = one Quarter, but I never got that Quarter back! ~Fernando r> ,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> ly: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; = font-size: 12pt;">
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fir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com>
To=
: hangout-at-nylxs.com
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Re:
[linux-elitists] Browser fingerprinting]
y_msg_container"> ----- Forwarded message from Ruben Safir < o=3D"mailto:ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com" href=3D"mailto:ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com">ruben-at-mr=
brklyn.com> ----- Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 01:04:19 -0400 Fr= om: Ruben Safir < :ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com">ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> To: :linux-elitists-at-zgp.org" href=3D"mailto:linux-elitists-at-zgp.org">linux-eliti=
sts-at-zgp.orgSubject: Re: [linux-elitists] Browser fingerprinting = User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 08:28:0= 9AM -0500, Jeremy Hankins wrote: > Ruben Safir < to:ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com" href=3D"mailto:ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com">ruben-at-mrbrklyn.co=
m> writes: > > > I don't care if they advertise on M= onday beauty products > > because on Monday women feel vernibable.= What I care about is that they > > track my daughter on her trip to sc= hool. > > You have this exactly backwards, imo. Neither = my daughter nor I are > under any particular _personal_ threat from t= racking. Yes - you are actually. And being so track= ed is for FARM ANIMALS and and extermination camps, but incompatible wit= h living as a free human being. > In that sense I<= br>> sympathize with people who say "Who the f** cares?" about tracking,= > targeted ads, and so on. > > The mistake they make is= the same as the one you're making. They fail > to appreciate t= hat these things shape our culture. That is someones erro= r, but not mine. > Even if (hopefully) > my daughter ha= s enough self esteem and personal strength not to be > affected by th= ese ads, she's still living in a culture that they're > shaping. > > -- > Jeremy Hankins < lto:nowan-at-nowan.org" href=3D"mailto:nowan-at-nowan.org">nowan-at-nowan.org>= ; > _______________________________________________ > Do not Cc= : anyone else on mail sent to this list. The list server is set for m= aximum one recipient. > linux-elitists mailing list > o=3D"mailto:linux-elitists-at-zgp.org" href=3D"mailto:linux-elitists-at-zgp.org">=
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When you can figure out when and where a person is going to be from day/wee=
ks/months/years of tracking, then you have that person where you want him a=
nytime, anywhere you want.=0A=0AThus far from Browser tracking, you and you=
r activity can be tracked and your future actions predicted accurately, thu=
s removing what freedoms you may have. Your Spending Habits studied, and ad=
s put up to force you to look at to sway your mind into "I need that.... [C=
LICK ON BUY BUTTON]" In worse case sceneros, in using your smartphones, it =
can be tracked through GPS or through its radio wave propagation to where y=
ou are at any given spot, and ads tailored to that information depending on=
your habits and where they take you. It does not take much programming to =
rip through this information to the point you get a text message commercial=
every time you pass by a given store location, forcing you to stop to look=
at the message and then look around and see the store right next to you. I=
f you go in to even look around, then they got=A0 you. And you don't call t=
his a danger? Its subliminal messaging on the worse levels. and Subliminal =
messaging is illegal. You
call this being free? I call that being leashed.=0A=0AIf you think you do =
not fit this mold, then what about your daughter and her friends? When they=
get such a text, they will go into the store and if they got money, buy. T=
his is an attack on you, your family, your money, and if you do not see thi=
s as a threat, than you are no better than the rest of the sheeple out ther=
e - no disrespect on you, your family or other sheeple.=0A=0AThe hook is ba=
ited, and it is casted into waters, waiting to see who bites on it. Are you=
or your family members going to bite?=0A=0AWhen I wrote video games back i=
n the 1980s, I was told that the game has to be written so that nobody wins=
, because "No matter how hard you play the game, you are not getting your q=
uarter back!" For me at best, I used be able to play Battle Zone for 3 hour=
s on one Quarter, but I never got that Quarter back!=0A=0A~Fernando=0A=0A=
=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Ruben Safir .com>=0ATo: hangout-at-nylxs.com =0ASent: Monday, October 21, 2013 5:53 AM=0AS=
ubject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: [linux-elitists] Browser=
fingerprinting]=0A =0A=0A----- Forwarded message from Ruben Safir rbrklyn.com> -----=0A=0ADate: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 01:04:19 -0400=0AFrom: Ruben=
Safir =0ATo: linux-elitists-at-zgp.org=0ASubject: Re: [li=
nux-elitists] Browser fingerprinting=0AUser-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15)=
=0A=0AOn Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 08:28:09AM -0500, Jeremy Hankins wrote:=0A> R=
uben Safir writes:=0A> =0A> > I don't care if they adv=
ertise on Monday beauty products=0A> > because on Monday women feel verniba=
ble.=A0 What I care about is that they=0A> > track my daughter on her trip =
to school.=0A> =0A> You have this exactly backwards, imo.=A0 Neither my dau=
ghter nor I are=0A> under any particular _personal_ threat from tracking.=
=A0 =0A=0A=0AYes - you are actually.=A0 And being so tracked is for FARM AN=
IMALS and=0Aand extermination camps, but incompatible with living as a free=
human=0Abeing.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A> In that sense I=0A> sympathize with people =
who say "Who the f** cares?" about tracking,=0A> targeted ads, and so on.=
=0A> =0A> The mistake they make is the same as the one you're making.=A0 Th=
ey fail=0A> to appreciate that these things shape our culture.=A0 =0A=0A=0A=
That is someones error, but not mine.=0A=0A=0A> Even if (hopefully)=0A> my =
daughter has enough self esteem and personal strength not to be=0A> affecte=
d by these ads, she's still living in a culture that they're=0A> shaping.=
=0A> =0A> -- =0A> Jeremy Hankins =0A> ____________________=
___________________________=0A> Do not Cc: anyone else on mail sent to this=
list.=A0 The list server is set for maximum one recipient.=0A> linux-eliti=
sts mailing list=0A> linux-elitists-at-zgp.org=0A> http://zgp.org/cgi-bin/mail=
man/listinfo/linux-elitists=0A=0A-- =0ASo many immigrant groups have swept =
through our town=0Athat Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological=0Apro=
portions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998=0Ahttp://www.mrbrklyn.com=
=0A=0ADRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002=0Ahttp://fair=
use.nylxs.com=0Ahttp://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Softw=
are=0Ahttp://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive =0Aof articl=
es from around the net=0Ahttp://www.coinhangout.com - coins!=0Ahttp://www.b=
rooklyn-living.com =0A_______________________________________________=0ADo =
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lveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;fo= nt-size:12pt">When you can figure out when and where a person is going to b= e from day/weeks/months/years of tracking, then you have that person where = you want him anytime, anywhere you want. Thus far from Browser track= ing, you and your activity can be tracked and your future actions predicted= accurately, thus removing what freedoms you may have. Your Spending Habits= studied, and ads put up to force you to look at to sway your mind into "I = need that.... [CLICK ON BUY BUTTON]" In worse case sceneros, in using your = smartphones, it can be tracked through GPS or through its radio wave propag= ation to where you are at any given spot, and ads tailored to that informat= ion depending on your habits and where they take you. It does not take much= programming to rip through this information to the point you get a text message commercial every time you pass by a given store location, for= cing you to stop to look at the message and then look around and see the st= ore right next to you. If you go in to even look around, then they got = ; you. And you don't call this a danger? Its subliminal messaging on the wo= rse levels. and Subliminal messaging is illegal. You call this being free? = I call that being leashed. If you think you do not fit this mold, th= en what about your daughter and her friends? When they get such a text, the= y will go into the store and if they got money, buy. This is an attack on y= ou, your family, your money, and if you do not see this as a threat, than y= ou are no better than the rest of the sheeple out there - no disrespect on = you, your family or other sheeple. The hook is baited, and it is cas= ted into waters, waiting to see who bites on it. Are you or your family mem= bers going to bite? When I wrote video games back in the 1980s, I was told that the game has to be written so that nobody wins, bec= ause "No matter how hard you play the game, you are not getting your quarte= r back!" For me at best, I used be able to play Battle Zone for 3 hours on = one Quarter, but I never got that Quarter back! ~Fernando r> ,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> ly: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; = font-size: 12pt;">
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