Fri Mar 29 06:35:23 2024
EVENTS
 FREE
SOFTWARE
INSTITUTE

POLITICS
JOBS
MEMBERS'
CORNER

MAILING
LIST

NYLXS Mailing Lists and Archives
NYLXS Members have a lot to say and share but we don't keep many secrets. Join the Hangout Mailing List and say your peice.

DATE 2014-02-01

HANGOUT

2024-03-29 | 2024-02-29 | 2024-01-29 | 2023-12-29 | 2023-11-29 | 2023-10-29 | 2023-09-29 | 2023-08-29 | 2023-07-29 | 2023-06-29 | 2023-05-29 | 2023-04-29 | 2023-03-29 | 2023-02-28 | 2023-01-28 | 2022-12-28 | 2022-11-28 | 2022-10-28 | 2022-09-28 | 2022-08-28 | 2022-07-28 | 2022-06-28 | 2022-05-28 | 2022-04-28 | 2022-03-28 | 2022-02-28 | 2022-01-28 | 2021-12-28 | 2021-11-28 | 2021-10-28 | 2021-09-28 | 2021-08-28 | 2021-07-28 | 2021-06-28 | 2021-05-28 | 2021-04-28 | 2021-03-28 | 2021-02-28 | 2021-01-28 | 2020-12-28 | 2020-11-28 | 2020-10-28 | 2020-09-28 | 2020-08-28 | 2020-07-28 | 2020-06-28 | 2020-05-28 | 2020-04-28 | 2020-03-28 | 2020-02-28 | 2020-01-28 | 2019-12-28 | 2019-11-28 | 2019-10-28 | 2019-09-28 | 2019-08-28 | 2019-07-28 | 2019-06-28 | 2019-05-28 | 2019-04-28 | 2019-03-28 | 2019-02-28 | 2019-01-28 | 2018-12-28 | 2018-11-28 | 2018-10-28 | 2018-09-28 | 2018-08-28 | 2018-07-28 | 2018-06-28 | 2018-05-28 | 2018-04-28 | 2018-03-28 | 2018-02-28 | 2018-01-28 | 2017-12-28 | 2017-11-28 | 2017-10-28 | 2017-09-28 | 2017-08-28 | 2017-07-28 | 2017-06-28 | 2017-05-28 | 2017-04-28 | 2017-03-28 | 2017-02-28 | 2017-01-28 | 2016-12-28 | 2016-11-28 | 2016-10-28 | 2016-09-28 | 2016-08-28 | 2016-07-28 | 2016-06-28 | 2016-05-28 | 2016-04-28 | 2016-03-28 | 2016-02-28 | 2016-01-28 | 2015-12-28 | 2015-11-28 | 2015-10-28 | 2015-09-28 | 2015-08-28 | 2015-07-28 | 2015-06-28 | 2015-05-28 | 2015-04-28 | 2015-03-28 | 2015-02-28 | 2015-01-28 | 2014-12-28 | 2014-11-28 | 2014-10-28 | 2014-09-28 | 2014-08-28 | 2014-07-28 | 2014-06-28 | 2014-05-28 | 2014-04-28 | 2014-03-28 | 2014-02-28 | 2014-01-28 | 2013-12-28 | 2013-11-28 | 2013-10-28 | 2013-09-28 | 2013-08-28 | 2013-07-28 | 2013-06-28 | 2013-05-28 | 2013-04-28 | 2013-03-28 | 2013-02-28 | 2013-01-28 | 2012-12-28 | 2012-11-28 | 2012-10-28 | 2012-09-28 | 2012-08-28 | 2012-07-28 | 2012-06-28 | 2012-05-28 | 2012-04-28 | 2012-03-28 | 2012-02-28 | 2012-01-28 | 2011-12-28 | 2011-11-28 | 2011-10-28 | 2011-09-28 | 2011-08-28 | 2011-07-28 | 2011-06-28 | 2011-05-28 | 2011-04-28 | 2011-03-28 | 2011-02-28 | 2011-01-28 | 2010-12-28 | 2010-11-28 | 2010-10-28 | 2010-09-28 | 2010-08-28 | 2010-07-28 | 2010-06-28 | 2010-05-28 | 2010-04-28 | 2010-03-28 | 2010-02-28 | 2010-01-28 | 2009-12-28 | 2009-11-28 | 2009-10-28 | 2009-09-28 | 2009-08-28 | 2009-07-28 | 2009-06-28 | 2009-05-28 | 2009-04-28 | 2009-03-28 | 2009-02-28 | 2009-01-28 | 2008-12-28 | 2008-11-28 | 2008-10-28 | 2008-09-28 | 2008-08-28 | 2008-07-28 | 2008-06-28 | 2008-05-28 | 2008-04-28 | 2008-03-28 | 2008-02-28 | 2008-01-28 | 2007-12-28 | 2007-11-28 | 2007-10-28 | 2007-09-28 | 2007-08-28 | 2007-07-28 | 2007-06-28 | 2007-05-28 | 2007-04-28 | 2007-03-28 | 2007-02-28 | 2007-01-28 | 2006-12-28 | 2006-11-28 | 2006-10-28 | 2006-09-28 | 2006-08-28 | 2006-07-28 | 2006-06-28 | 2006-05-28 | 2006-04-28 | 2006-03-28 | 2006-02-28 | 2006-01-28 | 2005-12-28 | 2005-11-28 | 2005-10-28 | 2005-09-28 | 2005-08-28 | 2005-07-28 | 2005-06-28 | 2005-05-28 | 2005-04-28 | 2005-03-28 | 2005-02-28 | 2005-01-28 | 2004-12-28 | 2004-11-28 | 2004-10-28 | 2004-09-28 | 2004-08-28 | 2004-07-28 | 2004-06-28 | 2004-05-28 | 2004-04-28 | 2004-03-28 | 2004-02-28 | 2004-01-28 | 2003-12-28 | 2003-11-28 | 2003-10-28 | 2003-09-28 | 2003-08-28 | 2003-07-28 | 2003-06-28 | 2003-05-28 | 2003-04-28 | 2003-03-28 | 2003-02-28 | 2003-01-28 | 2002-12-28 | 2002-11-28 | 2002-10-28 | 2002-09-28 | 2002-08-28 | 2002-07-28 | 2002-06-28 | 2002-05-28 | 2002-04-28 | 2002-03-28 | 2002-02-28 | 2002-01-28 | 2001-12-28 | 2001-11-28 | 2001-10-28 | 2001-09-28 | 2001-08-28 | 2001-07-28 | 2001-06-28 | 2001-05-28 | 2001-04-28 | 2001-03-28 | 2001-02-28 | 2001-01-28 | 2000-12-28 | 2000-11-28 | 2000-10-28 | 2000-09-28 | 2000-08-28 | 2000-07-28 | 2000-06-28 | 2000-05-28 | 2000-04-28 | 2000-03-28 | 2000-02-28 | 2000-01-28 | 1999-12-28

Key: Value:

Key: Value:

MESSAGE
DATE 2014-02-12
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] aging and work
http://money.msn.com/investing/more-men-in-prime-working-ages-dont-have-jobs?goback=.gde_2721426_member_5839082597006725123

Mark Riley was 53 years old when he lost a job as a grant writer for an
Arkansas community college. "I was stunned," he said. "It happened on my
daughter's 11th birthday." His boss blamed state budget cuts.

That was almost three years ago and he still hasn't found steady work.
Riley, whose unemployment benefits ran out 14 months ago, says his long
and fruitless search is proof employers won't hire men out of work too long.

"We're poor, but we're not broke," Riley said. "We still have property.
We have cars. We have some assets, we just can't liquidate them."

Riley's frustration is widely shared. More than one in six men ages 25
to 54, prime working years, don't have jobs?a total of 10.4 million.
Some are looking for jobs; many aren't. Some had jobs that went overseas
or were lost to technology. Some refuse to uproot for work because they
are tied down by family needs or tethered to homes worth less than the
mortgage. Some rely on government benefits. Others depend on working
spouses.

Having so many men out of work is partly a symptom of a U.S. economy
slow to recover from the worst recession in 75 years. It is also a
chronic condition that shows how technology and globalization are
transforming jobs faster than many workers can adapt, economists say.

The trend has been building for decades, according to government data.
In the early 1970s, just 6 percent of American men ages 25 to 54 were
without jobs. By late 2007, it was 13 percent. In 2009, during the worst
of the recession, nearly 20 percent didn't have jobs.

Although the economy is improving and the unemployment rate is falling,
17 percent of working-age men weren't working in December. More than
two-thirds said they weren't looking for work, so the government doesn't
label them unemployed. The January snapshot of the job market is due Friday.

Find a job in your area


Find a job in your area


For women, the story is different. In the 1950s, only about a third of
women ages 25 to 54 had jobs. That rose steadily until the 1990s, and
then leveled off for reasons that aren't clear. At last tally, about 70
percent were working; 30 percent weren't.

Men without jobs stand apart in a society that has long celebrated work
and hailed the breadwinners who support their families. "Our culture is
one that venerates work, that views work as good for its own sake," said
David Autor, a Massachusetts Institute of Technology economist.

The bleak prospects for the long-term unemployed?40 percent of men
looking for jobs say they have been out of work six months or
more?alarms policy makers and economists. The longer a person is
unemployed, according to historic data, the harder it is to find a job.

Surveys find that most of the jobless spend their days in the same way
working men spend weekends?watching TV, working out, sleeping.
Economists say part of the problem is that men with few marketable
skills and little education can't find work that pays enough to get them
off the couch.

Since the early 1970s, the average inflation-adjusted wage for
high-school dropouts has fallen about 25 percent; for high-school
graduates with no college degree, it is down about 15 percent. Simply
put, many of the available jobs don't pay enough to get men to take
them, particularly if securing a job requires moving, long commutes or
surrendering government benefits.

Get the Gig: Does Obamacare Free U.S. Workforce?

*
Now Playing



*
Up Next



*



*



Economists who had expected the fraction of men working or at least
looking for work to be approaching prerecession levels by now are
dumbfounded. "It's looking worse and worse," said Johns Hopkins
University's Robert Moffitt, who has researched the subject. "It's
unexpected."

Although 10,000 baby boomers turn 65 every day, these unemployed men are
too young for conventional retirement. Many are closer to the start of
their working lives.

Kenneth Gilkes Jr., 29 years old, thought he was on his way to a career
in government affairs after earning a master's degree in public
administration from the University of Illinois at Chicago in 2008.

But he was laid off from his first job at Chicago public schools. His
most recent position, working in community outreach for former Rep.
Jesse Jackson Jr. , ended in April with Jackson's resignation over the
misuse of campaign funds. Gilkes collected $500 a week in unemployment
benefits until December, when Congress failed to extend the program. He
has spent his savings and now relies on family and friends.

Gilkes applies for at least two jobs a day, he said, but gets little
response, especially when applying online, a common complaint by job
seekers. He watches documentaries on successful people for inspiration,
he said. Gilkes shares custody of his 2-year-old daughter with this
ex-wife and said the responsibility of fatherhood pushes him to keep
looking.

Click here to become a fan of MSN Money on Facebook


"Sometimes I get discouraged, but, honestly, I can't stop applying,"
Gilkes said. "Everyone tells me there's light at the end of the tunnel."

For some men, the job market has passed them by. After high school,
Joseph Maloney, 51 years old, followed the men in his family to work on
Chicago's trading floors. For nearly three decades, he worked in
back-office operations for commodity firms. As trading moved from open
pits to computer screens, jobs disappeared. Maloney, to his regret, said
for years he didn't keep pace with the changing technology.

Maloney's son, Joseph Jr., grew up watching his dad leave the house
before sunrise. "Work is an ingrained value for him," said the
25-year-old college graduate who works for Teach for America. "Not being
able to have that, and satisfy that, has been really tough."

The older Maloney was laid off in 2009 and turned to temporary jobs. In
2011, he had a heart transplant.

*More from The Wall Street Journal*:


  1. 2014-02-04 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] video programs
  2. 2014-02-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Hiring a Linux SysAdmin or Jr.
  3. 2014-02-05 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] SUSE glitches
  4. 2014-02-05 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] SUSE glitches
  5. 2014-02-05 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] SUSE glitches
  6. 2014-02-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] not physically possible
  7. 2014-02-05 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] not physically possible
  8. 2014-02-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] not physically possible
  9. 2014-02-06 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] not physically possible
  10. 2014-02-06 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] ironman linux
  11. 2014-02-06 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] ironman linux
  12. 2014-02-06 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Laptop Deals
  13. 2014-02-06 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Kiner is dead
  14. 2014-02-06 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Kiner is dead
  15. 2014-02-06 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] ironman linux
  16. 2014-02-06 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] ironman linux
  17. 2014-02-12 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] aging and work
  18. 2014-02-12 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] aging and work
  19. 2014-02-12 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Snow (Was: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] SUSE glitches)
  20. 2014-02-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Suse 13.1
  21. 2014-02-13 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Suse 13.1
  22. 2014-02-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Suse 13.1
  23. 2014-02-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Suse 13.1
  24. 2014-02-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The Limits of Free Speach
  25. 2014-02-14 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Focus on Robots
  26. 2014-02-14 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Focus on Robots
  27. 2014-02-14 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Focus on Robots
  28. 2014-02-14 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Focus on Robots
  29. 2014-02-14 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Focus on Robots
  30. 2014-02-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [announce-at-lists.isoc-ny.org: [isoc-ny] VIDEO: Bruce Schneier - NSA
  31. 2014-02-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Math Class
  32. 2014-02-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] combining text files
  33. 2014-02-18 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] combining text files
  34. 2014-02-18 Kevin Mark <kevin.mark-at-verizon.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] combining text files
  35. 2014-02-18 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [uri-at-bruck.co.il: [Israel.pm] Perl position in Petakh Tiqwah]
  36. 2014-02-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] linux terminals
  37. 2014-02-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] linux laptops
  38. 2014-02-21 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] combining text files
  39. 2014-02-21 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] combining text files
  40. 2014-02-21 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] combining text files
  41. 2014-02-22 Ruben <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore
  42. 2014-02-22 Ruben <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] farm animals and extermination camps
  43. 2014-02-22 Ruben <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Privacy, what privacy
  44. 2014-02-22 Ruben <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Bounty Hunters
  45. 2014-02-22 Ruben <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Robot Wars
  46. 2014-02-22 Ruben <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Government regulation of Privacy
  47. 2014-02-22 Ruben <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Snowden
  48. 2014-02-22 Ruben <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Monday and the spying is good
  49. 2014-02-22 Ruben <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] jobs
  50. 2014-02-22 Ruben <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] jobs
  51. 2014-02-22 Ruben <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: [Israel.pm] F5 Networks is hiring
  52. 2014-02-24 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The internet as you know is on its last leg
  53. 2014-02-24 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [list-at-nysun.com: Mr. X Returns ? And Makes a Confession]
  54. 2014-02-24 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] affordable healthcare scam
  55. 2014-02-27 From: "Redpill" <red.pill-at-verizon.net> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] affordable healthcare scam
  56. 2014-02-27 From: "Redpill" <red.pill-at-verizon.net> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] affordable healthcare scam
  57. 2014-02-27 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] max size of tar
  58. 2014-02-27 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] max size of tar
  59. 2014-02-27 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] max size of tar
  60. 2014-02-27 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] max size of tar
  61. 2014-02-27 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] max size of tar
  62. 2014-02-27 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] max size of tar
  63. 2014-02-27 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] max size of tar
  64. 2014-02-27 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] max size of tar
  65. 2014-02-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] max size of tar
  66. 2014-02-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] max size of tar
  67. 2014-02-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] max size of tar

NYLXS are Do'ers and the first step of Doing is Joining! Join NYLXS and make a difference in your community today!