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MESSAGE
DATE 2014-02-27
FROM From: "Redpill"
SUBJECT RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] affordable healthcare scam
http://www.kaiserthrive.org/kaiser-permanente-history/
Transcript of taped conversation between President Richard Nixon and John D.
Ehrlichman (1971) that led to the HMO act of 1973:

John D. Ehrlichman: "On the . on the health business ."

President Nixon: "Yeah."

Ehrlichman: ". we have now narrowed down the vice president's problems
on this thing to one issue and that is whether we should include these
health maintenance organizations like Edgar Kaiser's Permanente thing. The
vice president just cannot see it. We tried 15 ways from Friday to explain
it to him and then help him to understand it. He finally says, 'Well, I
don't think they'll work, but if the President thinks it's a good idea, I'll
support him a hundred percent.'"

President Nixon: "Well, what's . what's the judgment?"

Ehrlichman: "Well, everybody else's judgment very strongly is that we go
with it."

President Nixon: "All right."

Ehrlichman: "And, uh, uh, he's the one holdout that we have in the whole
office."

President Nixon: "Say that I . I . I'd tell him I have doubts about it,
but I think that it's, uh, now let me ask you, now you give me your
judgment. You know I'm not to keen on any of these damn medical programs."

Ehrlichman: "This, uh, let me, let me tell you how I am ."

President Nixon: [Unclear.]

Ehrlichman: "This . this is a ."

President Nixon: "I don't [unclear] ."

Ehrlichman: ". private enterprise one."

President Nixon: "Well, that appeals to me."

Ehrlichman: "Edgar Kaiser is running his Permanente deal for profit. And
the reason that he can . the reason he can do it . I had Edgar Kaiser come
in . talk to me about this and I went into it in some depth. All the
incentives are toward less medical care, because ."

President Nixon: [Unclear.]

Ehrlichman: ". the less care they give them, the more money they make."

President Nixon: "Fine." [Unclear.]

Ehrlichman: [Unclear] ". and the incentives run the right way."

President Nixon: "Not bad."

*The preceding transcript is from the University of Virginia for the
clearest possible presentation (pathway discovered by Vickie Travis). Check
- February 17, 1971, 5:26 pm - 5:53 pm, Oval Office Conversation 450-23.
Look for: tape rmn_e450c.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com [mailto:owner-hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com] On
Behalf Of Ruben Safir
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 1:27 PM
To: NYLXS
Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] affordable healthcare scam

Since everyone is so chattery I might as well rant about this new Healthcare
act

In its totlity, there has NEVER EVER been such a huge scam ever foisted on
the public as this total bullshit scam. I'm watching this from both side of
the business and they steal every penny and give back ZIPPO


Ruben

  1. 2014-02-04 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] video programs
  2. 2014-02-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Hiring a Linux SysAdmin or Jr.
  3. 2014-02-05 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] SUSE glitches
  4. 2014-02-05 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] SUSE glitches
  5. 2014-02-05 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] SUSE glitches
  6. 2014-02-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] not physically possible
  7. 2014-02-05 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] not physically possible
  8. 2014-02-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] not physically possible
  9. 2014-02-06 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] not physically possible
  10. 2014-02-06 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] ironman linux
  11. 2014-02-06 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] ironman linux
  12. 2014-02-06 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Laptop Deals
  13. 2014-02-06 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Kiner is dead
  14. 2014-02-06 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Kiner is dead
  15. 2014-02-06 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] ironman linux
  16. 2014-02-06 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] ironman linux
  17. 2014-02-12 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] aging and work
  18. 2014-02-12 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] aging and work
  19. 2014-02-12 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Snow (Was: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] SUSE glitches)
  20. 2014-02-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Suse 13.1
  21. 2014-02-13 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Suse 13.1
  22. 2014-02-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Suse 13.1
  23. 2014-02-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Suse 13.1
  24. 2014-02-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The Limits of Free Speach
  25. 2014-02-14 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Focus on Robots
  26. 2014-02-14 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Focus on Robots
  27. 2014-02-14 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Focus on Robots
  28. 2014-02-14 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Focus on Robots
  29. 2014-02-14 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Focus on Robots
  30. 2014-02-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [announce-at-lists.isoc-ny.org: [isoc-ny] VIDEO: Bruce Schneier - NSA
  31. 2014-02-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Math Class
  32. 2014-02-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] combining text files
  33. 2014-02-18 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] combining text files
  34. 2014-02-18 Kevin Mark <kevin.mark-at-verizon.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] combining text files
  35. 2014-02-18 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [uri-at-bruck.co.il: [Israel.pm] Perl position in Petakh Tiqwah]
  36. 2014-02-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] linux terminals
  37. 2014-02-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] linux laptops
  38. 2014-02-21 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] combining text files
  39. 2014-02-21 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] combining text files
  40. 2014-02-21 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] combining text files
  41. 2014-02-22 Ruben <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore
  42. 2014-02-22 Ruben <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] farm animals and extermination camps
  43. 2014-02-22 Ruben <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Privacy, what privacy
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  48. 2014-02-22 Ruben <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Monday and the spying is good
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  50. 2014-02-22 Ruben <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] jobs
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