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DATE 2014-04-25
FROM Robert Menes
SUBJECT Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Net Nuetrality
From owner-hangout-outgoing-at-mrbrklyn.com Fri Apr 25 09:06:33 2014
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Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Net Nuetrality
From: Robert Menes
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Welp. They broke the Internet. Time to build a new one.

I just want to say:

Fuck you, FCC.
Fuck you, Comcast.
Fuck you, Time Warner.
Fuck you, Congress.
Fuck you, Senate.
Fuck you, corporate lobbyists.
Fuck you, every single judge who struck down Net Neutrality.

And biggest of all:

Fuck YOU, United States of America, for letting this go through.

(Apologies to the list for F-bombing; I'm just pissed off.)

--Robert
On Apr 25, 2014 8:53 AM, "Ruben" wrote:

> This might well be the final nail in the coffen for free computing. Who
> thought that the 1990's would be looked back upon as a golden age for
> computer users?
>
> I feel so bad for this younger generation. they have become grist for the
> mill.
>
> There=E2=80=99s a furor over the free Web.
>
> Federal Communications Commission Chairman Tom Wheeler hit back at
> widespread criticism on Thursday that his proposed rules for governing
> Internet traffic will allow broadband providers to get rich at the expens=
e
> of consumers.
>
> =E2=80=9CThere has been a great deal of misinformation that has recently
> surfaced,=E2=80=9D Wheeler said in a blog post defending his proposal. =
=E2=80=9CThe
> allegation that it will result in anti-competitive price increases for
> consumers is also unfounded.=E2=80=9D
>
> At issue are proposed rules that could radically reshape the Web by
> allowing content companies to pay for faster Internet connections. Critic=
s
> say the new rules violate =E2=80=9Cnet neutrality=E2=80=9D principles.
>
> The old net neutrality rules =E2=80=94 which required all Internet traffi=
c be
> treated equally =E2=80=94 were tossed by a federal appeals court in Janua=
ry.
> Wheeler=E2=80=99s proposal, which will be made public after a vote by the=
FCC=E2=80=99s
> commissioners next month, makes way for Internet service providers to beg=
in
> demanding fees from content providers, like Netflix, for improved access =
to
> consumers.
>
> This has led to a flood of criticisms from Silicon Valley bigwigs,
> politicians and consumers, who say the FCC is =E2=80=9Ckilling the Intern=
et.=E2=80=9D
>
> =E2=80=9CFunny what happens when the -at-fcc is run by a former lobbyist for=
cable
> companies,=E2=80=9D tweeted PayPal exec Rakesh Agrawal om/
> rakeshlobster/status/459088374783946752>, referencing Wheeler=E2=80=99s l=
obbyist
> past.
>
> =E2=80=9CDeeply troubling report on new #FCC net neutrality rules, there =
shouldn=E2=80=99t
> be a =E2=80=98fast lane,=E2=80=99 =E2=80=9D tweeted Sen. Kirsten Gillibra=
nd > SenGillibrand/status/459138650660667392> (D-NY).
>
> Wheeler said he=E2=80=99s merely complying with the appeals court decisio=
n that
> the FCC cannot dictate what Internet service providers, or ISPs, charge
> unless it reclassifies them as utility companies. Wheeler said in Februar=
y
> that he would not appeal the court=E2=80=99s ruling, paving the way for a
> pay-to-play system.
>
> The FCC went into full-on damage control Thursday, including the blog pos=
t
> and a separate statement from Wheeler. It also made FCC officials availab=
le
> to the press to explain the proposed rules.
>
> The new rules will prevent ISPs from blocking or slowing content for
> anti-competitive reasons, according to the FCC official. Regulators will
> also seek to prevent anti-competitive behavior by cracking down on
> =E2=80=9Ccommercially unreasonable=E2=80=9D transactions between ISPs and=
content providers.
>
> But both supporters and critics were left to speculate as to what is
> considered =E2=80=9Ccommercially unreasonable.=E2=80=9D
>
> =E2=80=9CIt seems to me that =E2=80=98commercially reasonable=E2=80=99 me=
ans it can=E2=80=99t be
> predatory, but I=E2=80=99m speculating,=E2=80=9D said Charles Zielinski, =
a former FCC
> attorney.
>
>
>

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Welp. They broke the Internet. Time to build a new one.


I just want to say:


Fuck you, FCC.

Fuck you, Comcast.

Fuck you, Time Warner.

Fuck you, Congress.

Fuck you, Senate.

Fuck you, corporate lobbyists.

Fuck you, every single judge who struck down Net Neutrality.


And biggest of all:


Fuck YOU, United States of America, for letting this go thro=
ugh.


(Apologies to the list for F-bombing; I'm just pissed of=
f.)


--Robert


On Apr 25, 2014 8:53 AM, "Ruben" <<=
a href=3D"mailto:mrbrklyn-at-panix.com">mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> wrote:
ype=3D"attribution">
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
This might well be the final nail in the coffen for free computing. Who tho=
ught that the 1990's would be looked back upon as a golden age for comp=
uter users?



I feel so bad for this younger generation. they have become grist for the m=
ill.



There=E2=80=99s a furor over the free Web.



Federal Communications Commission Chairman Tom Wheeler hit back at widespre=
ad criticism on Thursday that his proposed rules for governing Internet tra=
ffic will allow broadband providers to get rich at the expense of consumers=
.




=E2=80=9CThere has been a great deal of misinformation that has recently su=
rfaced,=E2=80=9D Wheeler said in a blog post defending his proposal. =E2=80=
=9CThe allegation that it will result in anti-competitive price increases f=
or consumers is also unfounded.=E2=80=9D




At issue are proposed rules that could radically reshape the Web by allowin=
g content companies to pay for faster Internet connections. Critics say the=
new rules violate =E2=80=9Cnet neutrality=E2=80=9D principles.



The old net neutrality rules =E2=80=94 which required all Internet traffic =
be treated equally =E2=80=94 were tossed by a federal appeals court in Janu=
ary.

Wheeler=E2=80=99s proposal, which will be made public after a vote by the F=
CC=E2=80=99s commissioners next month, makes way for Internet service provi=
ders to begin demanding fees from content providers, like Netflix, for impr=
oved access to consumers.




This has led to a flood of criticisms from Silicon Valley bigwigs, politici=
ans and consumers, who say the FCC is =E2=80=9Ckilling the Internet.=E2=80=
=9D



=E2=80=9CFunny what happens when the -at-fcc is run by a former lobbyist for c=
able companies,=E2=80=9D tweeted PayPal exec Rakesh Agrawal <https://twitter.com/rakeshlobster/status/459088374783946752" target=3D"_bla=
nk">https://twitter.com/rakeshlobster/status/4590883747839467=
52
>, referencing Wheeler=E2=80=99s lobbyist past.




=E2=80=9CDeeply troubling report on new #FCC net neutrality rules, there sh=
ouldn=E2=80=99t be a =E2=80=98fast lane,=E2=80=99 =E2=80=9D tweeted Sen. Ki=
rsten Gillibrand <9138650660667392" target=3D"_blank">https://twitter.com/SenGillibran=
d/status/459138650660667392
> (D-NY).




Wheeler said he=E2=80=99s merely complying with the appeals court decision =
that the FCC cannot dictate what Internet service providers, or ISPs, charg=
e unless it reclassifies them as utility companies. Wheeler said in Februar=
y that he would not appeal the court=E2=80=99s ruling, paving the way for a=
pay-to-play system.




The FCC went into full-on damage control Thursday, including the blog post =
and a separate statement from Wheeler. It also made FCC officials available=
to the press to explain the proposed rules.



The new rules will prevent ISPs from blocking or slowing content for anti-c=
ompetitive reasons, according to the FCC official. Regulators will also see=
k to prevent anti-competitive behavior by cracking down on =E2=80=9Ccommerc=
ially unreasonable=E2=80=9D transactions between ISPs and content providers=
.




But both supporters and critics were left to speculate as to what is consid=
ered =E2=80=9Ccommercially unreasonable.=E2=80=9D



=E2=80=9CIt seems to me that =E2=80=98commercially reasonable=E2=80=99 mean=
s it can=E2=80=99t be predatory, but I=E2=80=99m speculating,=E2=80=9D said=
Charles Zielinski, a former FCC attorney.







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