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MESSAGE
DATE 2014-10-12
FROM Chris Knadle
SUBJECT Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] system D is out of fucking control
From owner-hangout-outgoing-at-mrbrklyn.com Sun Oct 12 17:08:21 2014
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Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] system D is out of fucking control
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On Sunday, October 12, 2014 03:45:24 Ruben Safir wrote:
> See this:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd#mediaviewer/File:Linux_kernel_unified_
> hierarchy_cgroups_and_systemd.svg
>
>
> No more access to the kernel resources any longer without first asking
> permision from systemd.
>
> This has reached a point of insanty now.

I'm not happy about this either; it's common to need to tweak kernel
parameters at boot time via sysctl or sysfs and it sounds like that interface
is going to be broken by this or will have to detect when systemd is in use
and use a call systemd-nspawn for these settings. :-/

There may be a reason for this change, but if so I'd like to know what it is.
Hopefully there's an explanation available in the documentation.

> No more acking the kernel for
> resources. systemd won't allow it. It is the NEW Kernel
>
> kiss my ass. Is it time to dump Linux?

I think the next best alternative is either running BSD or a GNU system with a
BSD kernel. Both are available. It's probably time to look at both and to
gain some familiarity with them to make the transition easier when it becomes
necessary.

-- Chris

--

Chris Knadle
Chris.Knadle-at-coredump.us

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