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DATE 2014-10-18
FROM mrbrklyn@panix.com
SUBJECT Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [rickmoen@gmail.com: systemd fallacies debunked]
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----- Forwarded message from Rick Moen -----

Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 16:09:07 -0700
From: Rick Moen
To: ruben
Subject: systemd fallacies debunked

Ruben, I figure you'll find this page useful:
http://judecnelson.blogspot.com/2014/09/systemd-biggest-fallacies.html

It politely but thoroughly debunks pretty much all of the advocacy
debating points continually hauled out in favour of systemd.

_While_ pointing out the deliberately deceptive and illogical nature
of those arguments, the page also highlights the areas where systemd
gratuitously introduces core-system bloat, difficulty of diagnosis,
already-severe and increasing lock-in, unstable key software
interfaces, brittleness, blurring of vital levels of abstraction,
inflexibility[1] reducing of system modularity/interchangeability, and
fuelling of sysadmin lack of control into affected systems -- not to
mention the arrogance of shovelling those things down everyone else's
throats.

Note that author Jude C. Nelson's text is MUCH stronger for the total
lack of ranting.

[1] See in particular comment from reader Leonardo L. at the bottom.

----- End forwarded message -----

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