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Sat, 18 Oct 2014 20:06:46 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: hangout-outgoing-at-mrbrklyn.com Received: by mrbrklyn.com (Postfix, from userid 28) id 92556161156; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 20:06:46 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: hangout-at-nylxs.com Received: by mrbrklyn.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DBCFB161154; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 20:06:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 20:06:45 -0400 From: mrbrklyn-at-panix.com To: hangout-at-nylxs.com Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [rickmoen-at-gmail.com: systemd fallacies debunked] Message-ID: <20141019000645.GA28524-at-www.mrbrklyn.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Sender: owner-hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com ----- Forwarded message from Rick Moen ----- Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 16:09:07 -0700 From: Rick Moen To: ruben Subject: systemd fallacies debunked Ruben, I figure you'll find this page useful: http://judecnelson.blogspot.com/2014/09/systemd-biggest-fallacies.html It politely but thoroughly debunks pretty much all of the advocacy debating points continually hauled out in favour of systemd. _While_ pointing out the deliberately deceptive and illogical nature of those arguments, the page also highlights the areas where systemd gratuitously introduces core-system bloat, difficulty of diagnosis, already-severe and increasing lock-in, unstable key software interfaces, brittleness, blurring of vital levels of abstraction, inflexibility[1] reducing of system modularity/interchangeability, and fuelling of sysadmin lack of control into affected systems -- not to mention the arrogance of shovelling those things down everyone else's throats. Note that author Jude C. Nelson's text is MUCH stronger for the total lack of ranting. [1] See in particular comment from reader Leonardo L. at the bottom. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 http://www.mrbrklyn.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive http://www.coinhangout.com - coins! http://www.brooklyn-living.com Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and and extermination camps, but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013 2014-10-02 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] opensuse 13.1 2014-10-02 Chris Knadle <Chris.Knadle-at-coredump.us> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] opensuse 13.1 2014-10-06 mrbrklyn-at-panix.com Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] HW 1 2014-10-07 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Rant of the Day 2014-10-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Rant of the Day 2014-10-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest 2014-10-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest 2014-10-08 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Rant of the Day 2014-10-12 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] News from Israel 2014-10-12 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: new programming language] 2014-10-12 mrbrklyn-at-panix.com Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [tetris4-at-gmail.com: Re: chakra installation and fdisk] 2014-10-12 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] system D is out of fucking control 2014-10-12 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] some none systemd chocies 2014-10-12 mrbrklyn-at-panix.com Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [info-at-meetup.com: Tomorrow: Join 10 Python Programmers and Users at 2014-10-12 mrbrklyn-at-panix.com Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Arts and Crafts 2014-10-12 Chris Knadle <Chris.Knadle-at-coredump.us> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] system D is out of fucking control 2014-10-12 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] system D is out of fucking control 2014-10-12 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apache Security tips 2014-10-18 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Microsoft Key Logging built into OS 2014-10-18 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] SystemD development hostility towards the GNU/Linux community 2014-10-18 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Objecting to SystemdD useless even for Linus 2014-10-18 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Theodore Ts'o on systemd - almost on target 2014-10-18 mrbrklyn-at-panix.com Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [rickmoen-at-gmail.com: systemd fallacies debunked] 2014-10-18 mrbrklyn-at-panix.com Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [csconnection-at-computer.org: Must-Attend Data Event: We're Saving 2014-10-18 mrbrklyn-at-panix.com Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [csconnection-at-computer.org: Stay Ahead of the Curve. Come to the 2014-10-18 mrbrklyn-at-panix.com Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [enews-at-pharmacytimes.com: Breaking News: Practice Brief on Ebola] 2014-10-18 mrbrklyn-at-panix.com Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [hpwebos-at-news.hpwebosnewsletters.com: HP webOS User Newsletter] 2014-10-19 mrbrklyn-at-panix.com Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [brian.gupta-at-brandorr.com: [nylug-talk] Fwd: The Debian Outreach 2014-10-22 mrbrklyn-at-panix.com Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ianseeks-at-yahoo.co.uk: Re: [opensuse] System D: Debian Fork] 2014-10-22 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] system D is out of fucking control 2014-10-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The Dingo-OS manifesto 2014-10-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The Dingo-OS manifesto 2014-10-25 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Anybody munching on Raspberry Pi? 2014-10-30 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] =?windows-1252?Q?Fwd=3A_=5Bisoc-ny=5D_VIDEO=3A_Protecting_?= 2014-10-30 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: nixCraft Linux / UNIX Newsletter 2014-10-30 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: nixCraft Linux / UNIX Newsletter 2014-10-30 mrbrklyn-at-panix.com Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] VIDEO: NYC Social Infrastructure & Tech Ecosystem: Are We At An 2014-10-30 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] thin clients 2014-10-30 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fetch Execute Cycle 2014-10-30 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Invitation: Experience with C++11 in ArangoDB 2014-10-31 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Computer Archotecture Quiz 2014-10-31 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Architecture Homework - Review Questions NYLXS are Do'ers and the first step of Doing is Joining! 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