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MESSAGE
DATE 2014-10-22
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] system D is out of fucking control
From owner-hangout-outgoing-at-mrbrklyn.com Wed Oct 22 10:07:51 2014
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Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] system D is out of fucking control
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On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 05:08:13PM -0400, Chris Knadle wrote:
> On Sunday, October 12, 2014 03:45:24 Ruben Safir wrote:
> > See this:
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd#mediaviewer/File:Linux_kernel_unified_
> > hierarchy_cgroups_and_systemd.svg
> >
> >
> > No more access to the kernel resources any longer without first asking
> > permision from systemd.
> >
> > This has reached a point of insanty now.
>
> I'm not happy about this either; it's common to need to tweak kernel
> parameters at boot time via sysctl or sysfs and it sounds like that interface
> is going to be broken by this or will have to detect when systemd is in use
> and use a call systemd-nspawn for these settings. :-/
>
> There may be a reason for this change, but if so I'd like to know what it is.
> Hopefully there's an explanation available in the documentation.
>
> > No more acking the kernel for
> > resources. systemd won't allow it. It is the NEW Kernel
> >
> > kiss my ass. Is it time to dump Linux?
>
> I think the next best alternative is either running BSD or a GNU system with a
> BSD kernel. Both are available. It's probably time to look at both and to
> gain some familiarity with them to make the transition easier when it becomes
> necessary.
>
> -- Chris
>
That is one option and then maybe there is a linux from scratch?

Ruben



> --
>
> Chris Knadle
> Chris.Knadle-at-coredump.us

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