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With the day off, do something important and read this. The article has
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Google’s iron grip on Android: Controlling open source by any means
Android is open—except for all the good parts.

by Ron Amadeo - Oct 20 2013, 9:00pm EDT


Aurich Lawson

Six years ago, in November 2007, the Android Open Source Project (AOSP)
was announced. The original iPhone came out just a few months earlier,
capturing people's imaginations and ushering in the modern smartphone
era. While Google was an app partner for the original iPhone, it could
see what a future of unchecked iPhone competition would be like. Vic
Gundotra, recalling Andy Rubin's initial pitch for Android, stated:

He argued that if Google did not act, we faced a Draconian future, a
future where one man, one company, one device, one carrier would be our
only choice.

Google was terrified that Apple would end up ruling the mobile space.
So, to help in the fight against the iPhone at a time when Google had no
mobile foothold whatsoever, Android was launched as an open source

In that era, Google had nothing, so any adoption—any shred of market
share—was welcome. Google decided to give Android away for free and
use it as a trojan horse for Google services. The thinking went that if
Google Search was one day locked out of the iPhone, people would stop
using Google Search on the desktop. Android was the "moat" around the
Google Search "castle"—it would exist to protect Google's online
properties in the mobile world.
Enlarge / Android's rocketing market share
Smartmo / Ron Amadeo

Today, things are a little different. Android went from zero percent of
the smartphone market to owning nearly 80 percent of it. Android has
arguably won the smartphone wars, but "Android winning" and "Google
winning" are not necessarily the same thing. Since Android is open
source, it doesn't really "belong" to Google. Anyone is free to take it,
clone the source, and create their own fork or alternate version.

As we've seen with the struggles of Windows Phone and Blackberry 10, app
selection is everything in the mobile market, and Android's massive
install base means it has a ton of apps. If a company forks Android, the
OS will already be compatible with millions of apps; a company just
needs to build its own app store and get everything uploaded. In theory,
you'd have a non-Google OS with a ton of apps, virtually overnight. If a
company other than Google can come up with a way to make Android better
than it is now, it would be able to build a serious competitor and
possibly threaten Google's smartphone dominance. This is the biggest
danger to Google's current position: a successful, alternative Android

And a few companies are taking a swing at separating Google from
Android. The most successful, high-profile alternative version of
Android is Amazon's Kindle Fire. Amazon takes AOSP, skips all the usual
Google add-ons, and provides its own app store, content stores, browser,
cloud storage, and e-mail. The entire country of China skips the Google
part of Android, too. Most Google services are banned, so the only
option there is an alternate version. In both of these cases, Google's
Android code is used, and it gets nothing for it.

It's easy to give something away when you're in last place with zero
marketshare, precisely where Android started. When you're in first place
though, it's a little harder to be so open and welcoming. Android has
gone from being the thing that protects Google to being something worth
protecting in its own right. Mobile is the future of the Internet, and
controlling the world's largest mobile platform has tons of benefits. At
this point, it's too difficult to stuff the open source genie back into
the bottle, which begs the question: how do you control an open source

Google has always given itself some protection against alternative
versions of Android. What many people think of as "Android" actually
falls into two categories: the open parts from the Android Open Source
Project (AOSP), which are the foundation of Android, and the closed
source parts, which are all the Google-branded apps. While Google will
never go the entire way and completely close Android, the company seems
to be doing everything it can to give itself leverage over the existing
open source project. And the company's main method here is to bring more
and more apps under the closed source "Google" umbrella.
Closed source creep

There have always been closed source Google apps. Originally, the group
consisted mostly of clients for Google's online services, like Gmail,
Maps, Talk, and YouTube. When Android had no market share, Google was
comfortable keeping just these apps and building the rest of Android as
an open source project. Since Android has become a mobile powerhouse
though, Google has decided it needs more control over the public source

For some of these apps, there might still be an AOSP equivalent, but as
soon as the proprietary version was launched, all work on the AOSP
version was stopped. Less open source code means more work for Google's
competitors. While you can't kill an open source app, you can turn it
into abandonware by moving all continuing development to a closed source
model. Just about any time Google rebrands an app or releases a new
piece of Android onto the Play Store, it's a sign that the source has
been closed and the AOSP version is dead.

We'll start with the Search app, which is an excellent example of what
happens when Google duplicates AOSP functionality.

In August 2010, Google launched Voice Actions. With it, the company
introduced "Google Search" into the (then) Android Market. These were
the days of Froyo. The above picture shows the latest version of AOSP
Search and Google Search running on Android 4.3. As you can see, AOSP
Search is still stuck in the days of Froyo (Android 2.2). Once Google
had its closed source app up and running, it immediately abandoned the
open source version. The Google version has search by voice, audio
search, text-to-speech, an answer service, and it contains Google Now,
the company's predictive assistant feature. The AOSP version can do Web
and local searches and... that's it.

Google’s iron grip on Android: Controlling open source by any means
Android is open—except for all the good parts.

by Ron Amadeo - Oct 20 2013, 9:00pm EDT



Google first demoed its cloud music service at Google I/O 2010, and sure
enough, that's about when the AOSP music app was frozen in time. To this
day, it still looks and acts like a Froyo app.

Play Music has gained access to Google's cloud music storage, along with
a huge music store and subscription option. Play Music has also gone
through several user interface redesigns, gaining Equalizer and
Chromecast support. The two apps are so different now, it's hard to
imagine that they once were the same thing.

Google Calendar was one of the more recent apps to get the closed source
treatment. The way this process is pitched to the Android community is
always rather amusing: The stock calendar is now available to everyone!
We can now do updates from the Play Store! There are more features! (Oh,
and by the way, it's closed source now.)

Since this was a recent split, there isn't much of a difference between
the two versions. Google Calendar will sync notifications across
devices, and it's gotten a cool new icon. I wouldn't expect the AOSP
calendar to get these updates anytime soon.
Enlarge / The keyboard settings screens showing the missing features.

Even the keyboard is not safe from closed source creep. A few months
ago, Google added Swype-like gesture typing to the stock keyboard, which
was released as a new app in the Play Store called "Google Keyboard."
Guess where the source code for that is? Not in AOSP. Above, you can see
the settings for the two keyboards. The Google Keyboard has options for
swipe typing, and AOSP doesn't—it was abandoned as soon as Google
Keyboard was released.

The Camera and Gallery are actually a single APK (Android application
package file). The AOSP version is called "Gallery2.apk," and Google's
version is called "GalleryGoogle.apk." As you can see in the above
picture, Photospheres are exclusive to the Google version—the
innovative camera mode is not available on AOSP. The open source version
also omits any Google+ album integration. The normal behavior is to
display cloud-based Google+ albums alongside local ones.

Here, though, we've got to give Google some credit. While the AOSP
version hasn't kept up in terms of features, the new design introduced
in 4.3 has made it to the Android source code.
The future

While it hasn't yet been released, the next app out the door is the
stock SMS app. Although folks are clamoring for Google Hangouts to
integrate text messaging and really go after iMessage, that would mean
you'd be moving Android's SMS functionality to a closed source app. Once
Google does make the switch, I predict that in one or two Android
versions, you'll see the SMS app disappear as a default app, similar to
what Google did when it killed the stock web browser in favor of Chrome
(though most of Chrome is still open source).

When Hangouts does integrate SMS, the AOSP messaging app will be
completely abandoned. Messaging already seems halfway down the path to
retirement. (It hasn't seen a significant updating since its big
redesign in Android 4.0.) So when this finally comes to pass, you'll
know what the subtext will be: the open source texting app will be dead.
Enlarge / Left: KitKat, showing "Google Photos." Right: The current "G+
Photos" icon.
TuttoAndroid/Ron Amadeo

Also next on the chopping block is the open source Gallery. In leaked
pictures of KitKat, the next version of Android, there is a new icon
called "Google Photos." "Gallery," which alphabetically should be
between "E-mail" and "Gmail," is suspiciously absent. While we've never
seen Google Photos before, it shares the same icon as a current Google
app called "G+ Photos." It looks like the AOSP Gallery is going to die
and be replaced by a service with a closed source app that heavily
depends on Google+. It's the ultimate expression of Google's new walled

Locking-in manufacturers

While Google is out to devalue the open source codebase as much as
possible, controlling the app side of the equation isn't the company's
only power play.

If a company does ever manage to fork AOSP, clone the Google apps, and
create a viable competitor to Google's Android, it's going to have a
hard time getting anyone to build a device for it. In an open market, it
would be as easy as calling up an Android OEM and convincing them to
switch, but Google is out to make life a little more difficult than
that. Google's real power in mobile comes from control of the Google
apps—mainly Gmail, Maps, Google Now, Hangouts, YouTube, and the Play
Store. These are Android's killer apps, and the big (and small)
manufacturers want these apps on their phones. Since these apps are not
open source, they need to be licensed from Google. It is at this point
that you start picturing a scene out of The Godfather, because these
apps aren't going to come without some requirements attached.

While it might not be an official requirement, being granted a Google
apps license will go a whole lot easier if you join the Open Handset
Alliance. The OHA is a group of companies committed to
Android—Google's Android—and members are contractually
prohibited from building non-Google approved devices. That's right,
joining the OHA requires a company to sign its life away and promise to
not build a device that runs a competing Android fork.

Acer was bit by this requirement when it tried to build devices that ran
Alibaba's Aliyun OS in China. Aliyun is an Android fork, and when Google
got wind of it, Acer was told to shut the project down or lose its
access to Google apps. Google even made a public blog post about it:

While Android remains free for anyone to use as they would like,
only Android compatible devices benefit from the full Android ecosystem.
By joining the Open Handset Alliance, each member contributes to and
builds one Android platform—not a bunch of incompatible versions.

This makes life extremely difficult for the only company brazen enough
to sell an Android fork in the west: Amazon. Since the Kindle OS counts
as an incompatible version of Android, no major OEM is allowed to
produce the Kindle Fire for Amazon. So when Amazon goes shopping for a
manufacturer for its next tablet, it has to immediately cross Acer,
Asus, Dell, Foxconn, Fujitsu, HTC, Huawei, Kyocera, Lenovo, LG,
Motorola, NEC, Samsung, Sharp, Sony, Toshiba, and ZTE off the list.
Currently, Amazon contracts Kindle manufacturing out to Quanta Computer,
a company primarily known for making laptops. Amazon probably doesn't
have many other choices.

For OEMs, this means they aren't allowed to slowly transition from
Google's Android to a fork. The second they ship one device that runs a
competing fork, they are given the kiss of death and booted out of the
Android family—it must be a clean break. This, by design, makes
switching to forked Android a terrifying prospect to any established
Android OEM. You must jump off the Google cliff, and there's no going

Any OEM hoping to license Google Apps will need to pass Google's
"compatibility" tests in order to be eligible. Compatibility ensures
that all the apps in the Play Store will run on your device. And to
Google, "compatibility" is also a fluid concept that an Android engineer
once internally described as "a club to make [OEMs] do what we want."
While Google now has automated tools that will test your device's
"compatibility," getting a Google apps license still requires a company
to privately e-mail Google and "kiss the ring" so to speak. Most of this
is done through backroom agreements and secret contracts, so the
majority of the information we have comes from public spats and/or
lawsuits between Google and potential Android deserters (see: Acer).

Another point of control is that the Google apps are all licensed as a
single bundle. So if you want Gmail and Maps, you also need to take
Google Play Services, Google+, and whatever else Google feels like
adding to the package. A company called Skyhook found this out the hard
way when it tried to develop a competing location service for Android.
Switching to Skyhook's service meant Google would not be able to collect
location data from users. This was bad for Google, so Skyhook was
declared "incompatible." OEMs that wanted the Google Apps were not
allowed to use them. Skyhook sued, and the lawsuit is still pending.
Testing the waters with bloatware

For most OEMs, leaving the Google ecosystem and still being successful
is nothing more than a pipe dream. One way for an OEM to experiment with
a Google-free existence without incurring the wrath of Mountain View is
to produce alternative versions of Google's apps. This is what most of
us dismiss as "bloatware." Bloatware works as a software engineering
"what if" thought exercise, where OEMs set out to replicate all of
Google's core apps to see just how hard life outside of the walled
garden would be.
Enlarge / Samsung dreams of a Google-free existence.

Samsung does a particularly "good" job of this, going as far as having
its own user account system, backend syncing, and app store. It also
maintains the most complete set of alternatives to Google apps. A lot of
these, like Internet, E-mail, and Calendar, have roots in AOSP, but
Samsung continued to add features long after Google abandoned them for
closed alternatives.

On a phone with Google apps, it seems silly and redundant to have two
calendar apps. But many OEMs view bloatware as an important strategic
fallback—a "Plan B"—for if things ever get really bad. If Google
does something out of line and an OEM is forced to leave, the company
needs at least something to show prospective customers. OEMs include
them with their shipping phones—because, hey, why not?—and gain
valuable feedback. While this creates redundancy and adds to user
confusion, a few users might even like the OEM's version of a core app.

With such a huge list of alternative apps, it might seem like Samsung is
poised to jump ship at any moment, but replicating the Google apps is
only a small portion of the massive effort it would take to break free
of the Google ecosystem. The aspect of Android that an OEM really wants
is the gigantic third-party app selection. Google knows this is its
biggest weakness, and the company has started working to make the app
ecosystem Google-dependent as well.

Locking in third-party apps

We previously explored Play Service's update implications, but it is a
huge weapon in the fight against Android forks. Play Services is a
closed source app owned by Google and licensed as part of the Google
Apps package. Any feature you see move from "normal" Android to Google
Play Services is also moving from open source to closed source. This app
pulls off the neat trick of not only enticing users with exclusive,
closed source features, but locking in third-party developers with
Google's proprietary APIs as well.

Taking the Android app ecosystem from Google seems easy: just get your
own app store up and running, convince developers to upload their apps
to it, and you're on your way. But the Google APIs that ship with Play
Services are out to stop this by convincing developers to weave
dependence on Google into their apps. Google's strategy with Google Play
Services is to turn the "Android App Ecosystem" into the "Google Play
Ecosystem" by making a developer's life as easy as possible on a
Google-approved device—and as difficult as possible on a
non-Google-approved device.

If you use any Google APIs and try to run your app on a Kindle, or any
other non-Google version of AOSP: surprise! Your app is broken. Google's
Android is a very high percentage of the Android market, and developers
only really care about making their app easily, making it work well, and
reaching a wide audience. Google APIs accomplish all that, with the side
effect that your app is now dependent on the device having a Google Apps
Google Maps API

The Google Maps API allows you to use Google's map data in your
application. It's extremely handy for things like overlying the weather
on top of a map or showing location in a travel app. The only problem
is, it's part of Google services and not part of Android. Relying on the
Maps API means your app will not work on a non-Google-approved device.

In response to this, Amazon was forced to license mapping data from
Nokia and build a working clone of the Google Maps API. The company even
has an instruction page dedicated to migrating your app from Google
Maps. Again, Google is all about making life easy in its ecosystem and
extremely difficult outside of it. If you want to run on the Kindle, you
now need to support two different Maps APIs.

It's a terrible situation for the Android forker, in this case Amazon,
who now has to deal with either paying license fees to Nokia forever or
going out and mapping the entire planet on its own. Amazon is also now
required to keep up with Google's break-neck pace of development:
Amazon's Maps API supports Google Maps API v1, but Google is already up
to v2. If you're a developer and depend on some new feature in the Maps
v2 API, Amazon doesn't support it yet. Now you have even more work to
Google Cloud Messaging

Google Cloud Messaging (GCM) is the easiest way to do push notifications
on Android, but you'll never see it on AOSP. GCM was recently added to
Play Services at I/O 2013, and it now includes not only receiving
notifications, but also pushing messages upstream. It's responsible for
the newly added ability to sync notifications across devices. Developers
often use GCM to push breaking news out to devices or to notify an app
that new data is available and a sync should be performed.

While Google Maps may seem like it would be used in a small amount of
apps, many more apps need push messaging in order to be any good. This
is another feature that Amazon was forced to copy in order to not be
left behind. Its version is called "Amazon Device Messaging," and it
only works on Amazon devices. Just like the Maps API, you'll be doing
extra work and testing for a very small subset of users. Every feature
of GCM might not be in Amazon's version, so you'll have extra work to
figure out ways around that.
Location APIs

At Google I/O 2013, Google revamped the Android location APIs and
released them as part of Google Play Services. In other words, Android's
top-tier location services are now closed source. If the above history
is any indication, the open source location stack will be left to rot.
The added features include the Fused Location Provider, a "complete
rewrite" of Android's location algorithms, Geofencing (which lets you
define locations on a map that will trigger events in an app when the
user enters them), and Activity recognition, which uses accelerometer
data and fancy algorithms to determine if the user is walking, biking,
or driving—all without turning on the GPS.

It made complete sense to put the Maps API and Google Cloud Messaging
into a proprietary app, as those services depend on Google servers to
function. However, moving over the entire location stack feels like a
massive power grab on Google's part. There are now two methods to get
location: the good, low power, closed source Google way, and the crappy,
battery expensive, open source way.
In-app purchasing

The best in-app purchasing on Android is done through the Google Play
Store. If a developer wants their app to work on a Kindle or in China,
however, they'll be stuck having to find another solution. This is
another feature where, if you want to have a viable AOSP fork, you'll
have to replicate it, which is just what Amazon did with the Amazon
In-App Purchasing API. Samsung is even in on the party, having
introduced an in-app purchasing API two years ago.
Play Games

Play Games is another proprietary API that solves a lot of difficult
problems for mobile developers. It provides easy access to user
accounts, leaderboards, achievements, cloud saves, anti-piracy, and (on
Android) real-time multiplayer. The best part is that works on just
about everything: Web apps, iOS, and Android. Well, everything except
AOSP, which is not supported. This is yet another thing a third-party
app could depend on and an alternate Android distribution would have to

Amazon has a set of game APIs called "GameCircle," but it's not a
drop-in replacement for Play Games, the way the Amazon Maps API is. A
developer will have to spend time making a completely separate
multiplayer implementation work.
Supporting lock-in by supporting iOS

The borderline-evil-genius part of Google's strategy is that 90 percent
of the Google APIs are also supported on iOS. Now, put yourself in the
shoes of a developer deciding whether or not to use Google's APIs: many
of Google's solutions offer best-in-class usability, functionality, and
ease-of-implementation. Google supports both major mobile platforms, so
it will cover a very high percentage of your potential user base. The
only bad part is that it won't work with an Android fork, but any AOSP
fork is going to be a tiny sliver of your possible target devices.

Most developers probably say "yes" to Google APIs, and the next question
is what should they do about the Kindle and other Android forks?
Developers are largely on their own to find a replacement API solution,
which might be out of date and might not work perfectly with their
existing app. If this other solution isn't a perfect drop-in
replacement, the developer will have to figure out how to design their
app around the missing feature. Since this is such a small amount of
users compared to their current iOS + Android user base, is it even
worth it to try to figure out this separate ecosystem? Will they get a
return on their time investment? It would be easy to say "the hell with
forked Android" and skip all the extra work and Q/A that would entail.
Samsung isn't going anywhere

This is the section that shows why Amazon can live without Google and
Samsung can't. While Amazon is a Google-API-copying machine, Samsung
doesn't have many answers for third-party developers that currently rely
on Google. Any speculation about Samsung leaving the Google ecosystem is
premature until you see it licensing map data or building a cloud
messaging API.

Amazon has done a decent job of keeping up, but the company was born on
the Internet. Servers and software are the company's forte, so building
out a bunch of cloud services isn't a huge change. Samsung Electronics
is, well, an electronics company—building a cloud infrastructure and
a bunch of APIs isn't in its DNA. So while Amazon can whip this together
in a few years on the back of its cloud services platform, Samsung has
much more of an uphill climb ahead of it.

Samsung has made a tiny bit of progress. As mentioned, the company has
its own SDK for in-app purchases. Interestingly, it also has an
advertisement SDK, but ads actually make money. Google supports ads on
Android, iOS, Android forks, and even Windows Phone.
A "look but don't touch" kind of open

If a company even wanted to consider forking Android and creating a
viable commercial competitor, they would have to replicate everything in
this article. Even then, you've only broken even. You would still have
to give your users a reason to switch from Google's Android to your fork
of Android.

Google does everything in-house. The company gets Maps and all of its
cloud services basically for free. Any company trying to follow in these
footsteps will probably have to outsource something on this list. Amazon
having to license Nokia's Map data is an excellent example. Google sells
ads against Maps—it actually makes the company money—while
Amazon has to pay a per-user fee for its mapping data. This is the kind
of radically different income situation an Android forker will be facing
on a daily basis. Google's services cost less than nothing, and anyone
competing will end up paying a monthly fee to some other company.

If a company does manage to fork Android and make something compelling
outside of Google's ecosystem, there's the little matter of nearly every
manufacturer being contractually barred from manufacturing a device that
runs the new OS. Even if this new Android derivative is better, for an
OEM jumping out of the Google ecosystem, it's probably more
trouble—and risk—than it's worth.

While Android is open, it's more of a "look but don't touch" kind of
open. You're allowed to contribute to Android and allowed to use it for
little hobbies, but in nearly every area, the deck is stacked against
anyone trying to use Android without Google's blessing. The second you
try to take Android and do something that Google doesn't approve of, it
will bring the world crashing down upon you.

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  6. 2015-01-04 Ruben Safir <> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] big data
  7. 2015-01-04 Ruben Safir <> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Future of Computer Education
  8. 2015-01-04 Ruben Safir <> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: IEEE Spectrum January: Top Tech 2015
  9. 2015-01-04 Ruben Safir <> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Future of Computer Education
  10. 2015-01-04 Ruben Safir <> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] something to listen too
  11. 2015-01-05 Ruben Safir <> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: [Perlweekly] #180 - Welcome to Night Vale
  12. 2015-01-05 Ruben Safir <> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] GNU Education
  13. 2015-01-05 Ruben <> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Happy Thanksgiving All!
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  23. 2015-01-20 Ruben Safir <> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The Atlantic - How White Flight Ravaged the
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  36. 2015-01-25 Ruben Safir <> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] See the power of Free Software
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  38. 2015-01-25 Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] See the power of Free Software
  39. 2015-01-25 Ruben Safir <> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] See the power of Free Software
  40. 2015-01-25 Ruben Safir <> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] See the power of Free Software
  41. 2015-01-26 Ruben Safir <> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ [betaNYC] Fwd: [NYC-rb] [JOB] Applications
  42. 2015-01-27 Ruben Safir <> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Good Morning - All your source has been closed
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  51. 2015-01-30 Ruben Safir <> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Nuke NYC and get 5 years of prision ... seriously
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