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MESSAGE
DATE 2016-06-17
FROM Rick Moen
SUBJECT Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] this man is a complete fucking idiot
Quoting Ruben Safir (mrbrklyn-at-panix.com):

> Lets Break Out Color War, BART versus the MTA
> http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/mta-east-side-access-project-cost-8-2b-article-1.1082218

I'm not sure I understand the phrase above the URL. Is that the title
of an article? A bit of rhetoric of yours?


Without knowing much about MTA's planning screw-ups, I can still predict
that BART's epic failures in numerous fundamentals ways have been a
unique and unprecedented example of how to do things wrong, and in ways
that cannot be fixed without scrapping everything and starting over.

I'm sure MTA would never consider building a new system with track gauge
used nowhere else on the planet, for example, or making the entire
system dependent on a central computer built using alphaware hardware
and software, using untested remote reporting from the trains that
turned out to never work, or basing the entire schedule, frequency of
trains, and consequent revenue plan on the assumption of running fully
automated trains (no drivers) with tight packing of the trains with no
allowance for error in the (extremely buggy) computer system.

It took a few collisions and a famous photo of an out-of-control train
dangling off the end of the line in Fremont before they reduced the
train frequency by 70% and put drivers in all the trains -- which of
course ruined the economic, which lead to more and more demands for tax
subsidies and sales tax increases. Taxpayers haven't yet figured out
that BART is a vampire and needs to be staked through its heart and
buried, so a _competently_ designed light rail system can reuse its
rights-of-way and tunnels.

The only one of BART's numerous severe design flaws that ever got fixed
is that there are now some sidings along the main runs. Incredibly, the
original design had no side tracks whatsoever -- such that, every time a
train broke down, that entire line had to shut down until the failed
train could be pushed all the way to a terminus.

BART _is_ in fact used as a case study in schools, as it is to this day
considered a useful planning disaster to learn from.

Web-seach for 'bart planning disaster' to find examples, like the
section in Peter Hall's book _Great Planning Disasters_ about it.

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