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DATE 2020-07-13
FROM aviva
SUBJECT Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [ Docs ] Israel's second wave
Caroline, I am sorry you are offended but nobody is accusing you of
being a communist.  This is a discussion about the medical and political
response to SARS2 virus by valued healthcare people.  Your position is
being respected and explored.  I hope you can grace us with the same on
your part by answering these tough criticisms to the serious positions
you present.

You can not deny that use of tracking is what is being used and proposed
by Chairman Xi and is what they are holding up as a new standard for the
world, as the new Chinese standard,  "Safety and prosperity" through
population control, and and the use of artificial intelligence to track
the population, and to subjugate them.  They use tracking to control
their populations, suppress their Muslim minority, and push their people
to conform with state mandates. This is why Hong Kong is aflame and how
we ended up with COVID-19 in the first place.  The proposal to track
everyone with an AI is being proposed by health professionals through
out the world with a varying degree of efficacy with regard to viral
control.  Results that looked promising in some places, look far less so
at the moment.  However, in all cases it will permanently damage our
political freedom and destroy what remains of our freedom of movement
and Democracy.  You can't have one without the other.  As it is,
everyone that enters our facility is tracked through Domains.  In this
regard, we already treat our poor and minorities like cattle.

COVID-19 is a serious epidemic, but it should not have been a
civilization ending event.  It should have been planned for as it was
expected.  Our politicians like Andrew Cuomo who is being glorified
should be facing tough questions as to why we weren't ready, and why we
didn't have enough PPEs, and Quarantine facilities, and emergency
plans.  And yet we are backing ourselves into a corner. 

How many would have died of COVID-19 if we did nothing?  Maybe 2 million
lives lost?  2 million deaths in a population of nearly 360 million
people to a disease is not unheard of in the annals of civilization and
these kind of events are part of what civilization always has to deal
with.  If this is not acceptable, why are we not more aggressively
pushing for a vaccination and anti-viral treatments.  We have a few
dozen immunological and anti-viral candidates, and our bureaucracy is
behaving like it is business as usual.  .  Dealing with it without
destroying economic growth, and pulling apart our social cohesion was a
major accomplishment of the 20th century, and it was a political
accomplishment.  And here in the 21st century we are ready to tear down
the most precious basic civil rights for what amounts to societally as a
bloody nose.

I'm not in favor of that policy.

I am in favor of a policy that invents a massive amount of money in
rebuilding our healthcare system and our disease control
infrastructure.  I'm in favor of creating for a healthcare system that
as a society we can afford, and not pie in the sky proposals for
socialized medicine for all, and universal tracking.   We need about
20,000 more hospital beds in NYC alone, including isolation facilities. 
We need to speed up our genetics and vaccination programs, reduce the
cost (the actual cost not just the out of pocket payments) of
healthcare, reduce its bureaucracy, and unshackle our healthcare system
so that it is an economic driver in our society, and not a bankrupter of
our public purse.

We need to prioritize the domestic production of our drugs, and medical
infrastructure, so that we don't run out of ventilators during an
epidemic, and we need the manufactoring basis to provide basic hospital
supplies.  We need travel and trade restrictions to nations that
repeatedly can not or refuse to maintain basic health and safety
standards, and that would include closing wild life food markets that
are pushing species into extinction and creating pandemic health threats.

We don't need to track every human on the planet.  What we need is to
stop eating bats.

Aviva

On 7/12/20 7:09 PM, Carolinedliny via Docs wrote:
>  
>
> And now I'm accused of being a communist because I think tracking
> virus outbreaks is ok or a mask might lower my risk and risk of others
> for disease and people should use them?
>
> I take Lipitor because it lowers my risk, it does not provide 100%
> protection from developing heart disease,but lowers my risk. I take
> meds to lower risk for my breast cancer re-occurrence. also no guarantee
>
> I'm open to discussion and difference opinions,  however I am not open
> to being called a communist. Take me off list, ty Caroline 


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  104. 2020-07-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] strange cd behaviorn
  105. 2020-07-22 Luis Falcon <falcon-at-gnuhealth.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] webinar GNUHealth for beginners on
  106. 2020-07-22 Edgar Hagenbichler <edgar.hagenbichler-at-hagenbichler.at> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] webinar GNUHealth for beginners on Mon 3
  107. 2020-07-23 From: "American Museum of Natural History" <learn-at-amnh.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Registration Is Now Open for Our First Fall
  108. 2020-07-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] A Message from President Kimberly R. Cline
  109. 2020-07-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Informational Message: Certified Pharmacist
  110. 2020-07-27 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #470 - Perl Mentoring
  111. 2020-07-26 The Hebron Fund <info-at-hebronfund.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Hero Soldier, Life After Corona VIDEO,
  112. 2020-07-27 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #470 - Perl Mentoring
  113. 2020-07-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Belmar vacation - One Sunday
  114. 2020-07-27 Steffen Land <info-at-apachelounge.com.INVALID> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [users-at-httpd] Announcing mod_websocket v0.1.2
  115. 2020-07-28 From: "Dana Morgenstein, FSF" <info-at-fsf.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Presenting the expanded Free Software Foundation
  116. 2020-07-28 jerome moliere via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] Newcomer - a couple of questions
  117. 2020-07-28 Christos Nouskas via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] Newcomer - a couple of
  118. 2020-07-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Virus cases in Israel - Do we trust the experts..
  119. 2020-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Tish B'av
  120. 2020-07-30 From: "American Museum of Natural History" <learn-at-amnh.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Learn More About Our Online Courses for Teachers
  121. 2020-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Herman cain died of WUHAN-19
  122. 2020-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] fre the mind
  123. 2020-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Bounces City and State checks...
  124. 2020-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] No end to the medical ethics problems we now
  125. 2020-07-30 Mark Galassi <mark-at-galassi.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] looking for collaborators for free s/w-based
  126. 2020-07-30 From: =?utf-8?Q?Zo=C3=AB_Kooyman=2C_FSF?= <info-at-fsf.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Free software in business: Success stories
  127. 2020-07-31 zap via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] I had a suggestion or two,
  128. 2020-07-31 zap via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] I had a suggestion or two,
  129. 2020-07-31 zap via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] I had a suggestion or two,
  130. 2020-07-13 mayer ilovitz <pmamayeri-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fwd: CNN 7/3/20: Twitter and JPMorgan are
  131. 2020-07-13 mayer ilovitz <pmamayeri-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fwd: CNN 7/3/20: Twitter and JPMorgan are

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