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| DATE | 2020-08-05 |
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| SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Perl 7 presentation
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Hi James & Company.
Yes, If you could arrange that ny.pm virtual meeting that would be very hel=
pful.=C2=A0 (No longer a fan of Zoom.=C2=A0 Is Skype viable?)=C2=A0 I could=
use a pointer or two on how to use irc.perl.org for a discussion.
There were a few terms I could not follow that were being casually used in =
the slide-show:- Indirect Object Syntax- Smoke Testing
I noticed you discussed some issues with function prototyping.=C2=A0 I trie=
d it in a few areas but found little reason to use them.=C2=A0 As you point=
ed out, all scalars look alike, be they numbers (of various flavors), strin=
gs, or references.=C2=A0 I had tried it so I could overload the function or=
method name, as we can do in C++.=C2=A0 It didn't work; I got the multiple=
definition error.=C2=A0 Yes, prototyping is good for making sure the calls=
have sorta the right parameter types but to be truly useful they must faci=
litate function overloading (i.e. signatures) and enforcement of more stric=
tly specified data types.=C2=A0 That is, not just scalar or reference but m=
ore precise numeric and character types.
Question: Is Perl7 planning to support data types like integer, float, stri=
ng, etc?=C2=A0 That would go against the rugged individualist style of the =
stereotyped Perl developer but I wonder if this is a factor that detracts f=
rom the popularity of Perl.
+----- Jacob Salomon -- jakesalomon-at-yahoo.com -------------------------+| T=
he first lesson of economics is scarcity: there is never enough of=C2=A0 ||=
anything to fully satisfy all those who want it. The first lesson of || po=
litics is to disregard the first lesson of economics.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |+------------------------------ Thomas Sowell =
(Is Reality Optional?) --+=20
On Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 01:12:02 PM EDT, James E Keenan pobox.com> wrote: =20
=20
Last week I had the opportunity to give a remote presentation on Perl 7=20
to the Toronto Perlmongers.=C2=A0 The slides from that talk are available h=
ere:
http://thenceforward.net/perl/talks/toronto-perlmongers-20200730/slides/
Unfortunately, the webcasting technology they were using had a limit of=20
10 attendees (which we did not know until we saw that people were unable=20
to get into the meeting.=C2=A0 I'm offering to compensate for that in one o=
r=20
both of two ways:
A. If people in ny.pm wanted to organize a virtual meeting, I could=20
simply repeat the presentation.
B. Have a virtual meeting on IRC.=C2=A0 If, *after going through those=20
slides*, you want to have more discussion about Perl 7 as software and=20
project, I'd be happy to set up a time to discuss this on IRC.=C2=A0 It=20
appears that on irc.perl.org you can create a channel by just letting=20
yourself into the room.=C2=A0 So we could create a #ny.pm (or such) channel=
=20
and squat there some evening and toss questions back and forth.
Also, ...
We're fast approaching a stage in the Perl 7 Project where we need more=20
people looking at the code base and the changes we've made.=C2=A0 What we'r=
e=20
looking for is not so much "code reviewing" as "code understanding,"=20
that is, understanding exactly what we're trying to do and then looking=20
at the code to determine whether we've done what we set out to do.
To be a "code understander" you would need:
* Familiarity with Perl 5 -- which, I would suspect, the overwhelming=20
majority of readers of this list already have;
* Basic familiarity with git and an account on github.com; but ...
* Familiarity with the Perl core distribution is helpful but not essential.
If you have free time, particularly over the balance of this month and=20
next, and would like to make a tangible contribution to the forward=20
development of Perl, please ping me off-list and I'll go into greater=20
detail.
Thank you very much.
Jim Keenan
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=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 13px;"= > Hi James & Company. <= div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"> r=3D"false"> Yes, If you could a=
rrange that ny.pm virtual meeting that would be very helpful. (No lon=
ger a fan of Zoom. Is Skype viable?) I could use a pointer or t=
wo on how to use irc.perl.org for a discussion. =3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">
lse">There were a few terms I could not follow that were being casually use=
d in the slide-show: - Indirect=
Object Syntax - Smoke Testing<= /div>
-setdir=3D"false">I noticed you discussed some issues with function prototy=
ping. I tried it in a few areas but found little reason to use them.&=
nbsp; As you pointed out, all scalars look alike, be they numbers (of vario=
us flavors), strings, or references. I had tried it so I could overlo=
ad the function or method name, as we can do in C++. It didn't work; =
I got the multiple definition error. Yes, prototyping is good for mak=
ing sure the calls have sorta the right parameter types but to be truly use=
ful they must facilitate function overloading (i.e. signatures) and enforce=
ment of more strictly specified data types. That is, not just scalar =
or reference but more precise numeric and character types. "ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">
">Question: Is Perl7 planning to support data types like integer, float, st=
ring, etc? That would go against the rugged individualist style of th=
e stereotyped Perl developer but I wonder if this is a factor that detracts=
from the popularity of Perl. <=
br>
3ae9491bsignature"> 877" style=3D"background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);font-family:serif;font-si= ze:13px;"> " size=3D"1">+----- Jacob Salomon -- jakesalomon-at-yahoo.com -----------=
--------------+ | The first lesson of economics is scarcity: ther=
e is never enough of | | anything to fully satisfy all thos=
e who want it. The first lesson of | | politics is to disregard t=
he first lesson of economics. &nbs=
p; | +------------------------------ Thomas Sowell (Is Reality Op=
tional?) --+
=20 7bfe2dyahoo_quoted"> ans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;"> =20
On Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 01:12:02 PM EDT, James E =
Keenan <jkeenan-at-pobox.com> wrote:
Last week I had the opportunity to gi=
ve a remote presentation on Perl 7
to the Toront= o Perlmongers. The slides from that talk are available here: >
Unfor= tunately, the webcasting technology they were using had a limit of v> 10 attendees (which we did not know until we saw that pe=
ople were unable
to get into the meeting. =
I'm offering to compensate for that in one or
bo=
th of two ways:
A. If =
people in ny.pm wanted to organize a virtual meeting, I could
v dir=3D"ltr">simply repeat the presentation.
> B. Have a virtual meeting on IRC. If, *after =
going through those
slides*, you want to have mo=
re discussion about Perl 7 as software and
proje= ct, I'd be happy to set up a time to discuss this on IRC. It v> appears that on irc.perl.org you can create a channel by=
just letting
yourself into the room. So w=
e could create a #ny.pm (or such) channel
and sq=
uat there some evening and toss questions back and forth.
=3D"ltr">
Also, ...
> We're fast approaching a stage in the Perl 7 Projec=
t where we need more
people looking at the code =
base and the changes we've made. What we're
">looking for is not so much "code reviewing" as "code understanding,"
=
that is, understanding exactly what we're trying to =
do and then looking
at the code to determine whe=
ther we've done what we set out to do.
= To be a "code understander" you would need:
dir=3D"ltr">
* Familiarity with Perl 5 -- which, =
I would suspect, the overwhelming
majority of re=
aders of this list already have;
ir=3D"ltr">* Basic familiarity with git and an account on github.com; but .=
..
* Familiarity with =
the Perl core distribution is helpful but not essential.
=3D"ltr">
If you have free time, particularly ove=
r the balance of this month and
next, and would =
like to make a tangible contribution to the forward
tr">development of Perl, please ping me off-list and I'll go into greater <=
br> detail.
dir=3D"ltr">Thank you very much.
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Hi James & Company.
Yes, If you could arrange that ny.pm virtual meeting that would be very hel=
pful.=C2=A0 (No longer a fan of Zoom.=C2=A0 Is Skype viable?)=C2=A0 I could=
use a pointer or two on how to use irc.perl.org for a discussion.
There were a few terms I could not follow that were being casually used in =
the slide-show:- Indirect Object Syntax- Smoke Testing
I noticed you discussed some issues with function prototyping.=C2=A0 I trie=
d it in a few areas but found little reason to use them.=C2=A0 As you point=
ed out, all scalars look alike, be they numbers (of various flavors), strin=
gs, or references.=C2=A0 I had tried it so I could overload the function or=
method name, as we can do in C++.=C2=A0 It didn't work; I got the multiple=
definition error.=C2=A0 Yes, prototyping is good for making sure the calls=
have sorta the right parameter types but to be truly useful they must faci=
litate function overloading (i.e. signatures) and enforcement of more stric=
tly specified data types.=C2=A0 That is, not just scalar or reference but m=
ore precise numeric and character types.
Question: Is Perl7 planning to support data types like integer, float, stri=
ng, etc?=C2=A0 That would go against the rugged individualist style of the =
stereotyped Perl developer but I wonder if this is a factor that detracts f=
rom the popularity of Perl.
+----- Jacob Salomon -- jakesalomon-at-yahoo.com -------------------------+| T=
he first lesson of economics is scarcity: there is never enough of=C2=A0 ||=
anything to fully satisfy all those who want it. The first lesson of || po=
litics is to disregard the first lesson of economics.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |+------------------------------ Thomas Sowell =
(Is Reality Optional?) --+=20
On Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 01:12:02 PM EDT, James E Keenan pobox.com> wrote: =20
=20
Last week I had the opportunity to give a remote presentation on Perl 7=20
to the Toronto Perlmongers.=C2=A0 The slides from that talk are available h=
ere:
http://thenceforward.net/perl/talks/toronto-perlmongers-20200730/slides/
Unfortunately, the webcasting technology they were using had a limit of=20
10 attendees (which we did not know until we saw that people were unable=20
to get into the meeting.=C2=A0 I'm offering to compensate for that in one o=
r=20
both of two ways:
A. If people in ny.pm wanted to organize a virtual meeting, I could=20
simply repeat the presentation.
B. Have a virtual meeting on IRC.=C2=A0 If, *after going through those=20
slides*, you want to have more discussion about Perl 7 as software and=20
project, I'd be happy to set up a time to discuss this on IRC.=C2=A0 It=20
appears that on irc.perl.org you can create a channel by just letting=20
yourself into the room.=C2=A0 So we could create a #ny.pm (or such) channel=
=20
and squat there some evening and toss questions back and forth.
Also, ...
We're fast approaching a stage in the Perl 7 Project where we need more=20
people looking at the code base and the changes we've made.=C2=A0 What we'r=
e=20
looking for is not so much "code reviewing" as "code understanding,"=20
that is, understanding exactly what we're trying to do and then looking=20
at the code to determine whether we've done what we set out to do.
To be a "code understander" you would need:
* Familiarity with Perl 5 -- which, I would suspect, the overwhelming=20
majority of readers of this list already have;
* Basic familiarity with git and an account on github.com; but ...
* Familiarity with the Perl core distribution is helpful but not essential.
If you have free time, particularly over the balance of this month and=20
next, and would like to make a tangible contribution to the forward=20
development of Perl, please ping me off-list and I'll go into greater=20
detail.
Thank you very much.
Jim Keenan
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=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 13px;"= > Hi James & Company. <= div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"> r=3D"false"> Yes, If you could a=
rrange that ny.pm virtual meeting that would be very helpful. (No lon=
ger a fan of Zoom. Is Skype viable?) I could use a pointer or t=
wo on how to use irc.perl.org for a discussion. =3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">
lse">There were a few terms I could not follow that were being casually use=
d in the slide-show: - Indirect=
Object Syntax - Smoke Testing<= /div>
-setdir=3D"false">I noticed you discussed some issues with function prototy=
ping. I tried it in a few areas but found little reason to use them.&=
nbsp; As you pointed out, all scalars look alike, be they numbers (of vario=
us flavors), strings, or references. I had tried it so I could overlo=
ad the function or method name, as we can do in C++. It didn't work; =
I got the multiple definition error. Yes, prototyping is good for mak=
ing sure the calls have sorta the right parameter types but to be truly use=
ful they must facilitate function overloading (i.e. signatures) and enforce=
ment of more strictly specified data types. That is, not just scalar =
or reference but more precise numeric and character types. "ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">
">Question: Is Perl7 planning to support data types like integer, float, st=
ring, etc? That would go against the rugged individualist style of th=
e stereotyped Perl developer but I wonder if this is a factor that detracts=
from the popularity of Perl. <=
br>
3ae9491bsignature"> 877" style=3D"background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);font-family:serif;font-si= ze:13px;"> " size=3D"1">+----- Jacob Salomon -- jakesalomon-at-yahoo.com -----------=
--------------+ | The first lesson of economics is scarcity: ther=
e is never enough of | | anything to fully satisfy all thos=
e who want it. The first lesson of | | politics is to disregard t=
he first lesson of economics. &nbs=
p; | +------------------------------ Thomas Sowell (Is Reality Op=
tional?) --+
=20 7bfe2dyahoo_quoted"> ans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;"> =20
On Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 01:12:02 PM EDT, James E =
Keenan <jkeenan-at-pobox.com> wrote:
Last week I had the opportunity to gi=
ve a remote presentation on Perl 7
to the Toront= o Perlmongers. The slides from that talk are available here: >
Unfor= tunately, the webcasting technology they were using had a limit of v> 10 attendees (which we did not know until we saw that pe=
ople were unable
to get into the meeting. =
I'm offering to compensate for that in one or
bo=
th of two ways:
A. If =
people in ny.pm wanted to organize a virtual meeting, I could
v dir=3D"ltr">simply repeat the presentation.
> B. Have a virtual meeting on IRC. If, *after =
going through those
slides*, you want to have mo=
re discussion about Perl 7 as software and
proje= ct, I'd be happy to set up a time to discuss this on IRC. It v> appears that on irc.perl.org you can create a channel by=
just letting
yourself into the room. So w=
e could create a #ny.pm (or such) channel
and sq=
uat there some evening and toss questions back and forth.
=3D"ltr">
Also, ...
> We're fast approaching a stage in the Perl 7 Projec=
t where we need more
people looking at the code =
base and the changes we've made. What we're
">looking for is not so much "code reviewing" as "code understanding,"
=
that is, understanding exactly what we're trying to =
do and then looking
at the code to determine whe=
ther we've done what we set out to do.
= To be a "code understander" you would need:
dir=3D"ltr">
* Familiarity with Perl 5 -- which, =
I would suspect, the overwhelming
majority of re=
aders of this list already have;
ir=3D"ltr">* Basic familiarity with git and an account on github.com; but .=
..
* Familiarity with =
the Perl core distribution is helpful but not essential.
=3D"ltr">
If you have free time, particularly ove=
r the balance of this month and
next, and would =
like to make a tangible contribution to the forward
tr">development of Perl, please ping me off-list and I'll go into greater <=
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dir=3D"ltr">Thank you very much.
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