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DATE 2020-08-14
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Race identification Software
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-quiet-growth-of-race-detection-software-sparks-concerns-over-bias-11597378154?mod=hp_listc_pos1

The Quiet Growth of Race-Detection Software Sparks Concerns Over Bias
Parmy Olson
13-16 minutes

When Revlon Inc. wanted to know what lipstick women of different races
and in different countries were wearing, the cosmetics giant didn’t need
to send out a survey. It hired Miami-based Kairos Inc., which used a
facial-analysis algorithm to scan Instagram photos.

Back then, in 2015, the ability to scan a person’s face and identify his
or her race was still in its infancy. Today, more than a dozen companies
offer some form of race or ethnicity detection, according to a review of
websites, marketing literature and interviews.

In the last few years, companies have started using such race-detection
software to understand how certain customers use their products, who
looks at their ads, or what people of different racial groups like.
Others use the tool to seek different racial features in stock
photography collections, typically for ads, or in security, to help
narrow down the search for someone in a database. In China, where face
tracking is widespread, surveillance cameras have been equipped with
race-scanning software to track ethnic minorities.

The field is still developing, and it is an open question how companies,
governments and individuals will take advantage of such technology in
the future. Use of the software is fraught, as researchers and companies
have begun to recognize its potential to drive discrimination, posing
challenges to widespread adoption.

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Munich-based Betaface offers a facial-analysis tool that estimates a
person's ethnicity. In this case, it says with 91% certainty that the
woman in the photo is Asian.
Photo: Betaface

A spokeswoman for Revlon says it was unable to comment because the
Instagram scanning happened several years ago. Kairos didn’t respond to
repeated requests for comment.

Race-detection software is a subset of facial analysis, a type of
artificial intelligence that scans faces for a range of features—from
the arch of an eyebrow to the shape of the cheekbones—and uses that
information to draw conclusions about gender, age, race, emotions, even
attractiveness. This is different from facial recognition, which also
relies on an AI technique called machine learning, but is used to
identify particular faces, for instance to unlock a smartphone or spot a
troublemaker in a crowd.

Facial analysis is “useful for marketers because people buy in cohorts
and behave in cohorts,” says Brian Brackeen, a founder of Kairos who
left in 2018 and now invests in startups through Lightship Capital.

For retailers and other businesses, facial analysis of camera footage
promises the ability to learn more about customers in bricks-and-mortar
settings, much like they have long used cookies, or small data files
that track people’s internet activity, to target online ads. “The
physical world is a big vacuum of data because there’s nothing there,”
says Ajay Amlani, senior vice president of corporate development at
French facial-recognition firm Idemia SAS. Now cameras are starting to
play a similar role to cookies.

New York-based Haystack AI Inc. says its customers use its
race-classification feature for ad targeting, market research and to
help authenticate people’s identities. Germany’s Cognitec Systems GmbH
offers ethnicity detection for retailers and other companies to collect
statistical data about their visitors, says Jeurgen Pampus, its sales
and marketing director. He said no customers had yet bought a license
for race-classification, though they had bought software for classifying
ages and genders.

Germany-based Cognitec Systems’s FaceVACS-VideoScan Console has a
filter, shown at mid-left, that lets users search faces by ‘ethnicity.’
Photo: Cognitec Systems

Spectrico, a Bulgarian startup that sells a perpetual, unlimited license
for its race-classification tool for 1,000 euros (about $1,170), says
that dating sites use it to check if profiles are accurate, while
advertisers use it to track the demographics of people looking at smart
billboards. Founder Martin Prenev said a few customers have purchased
the race-classification tool, and more bought it in combination with a
gender- and age-classification tool.

China’s Face++, one of the world’s biggest facial-recognition and
facial-analysis companies, was valued at $4 billion in May 2019,
according to market intelligence firm PitchBook. It says on its website
that its race-detection feature can be used for consumer-behavior
analysis and ad targeting.

Facial analysis has largely flown under the radar, even as facial
recognition has come under fire because poorly trained systems have
misidentified people of color. Places such as Boston, San Francisco,
Washington state and California have curbed the use of facial
recognition in law enforcement. IBM Inc., Alphabet Inc. and Microsoft
Corp. have limited their facial-recognition businesses, particularly in
selling to police departments.

Research into facial analysis continues. Some scientists say that
algorithms trained to identify a person’s race can be startlingly
accurate. In May, two scientists from Ruhr-Universitat Bochum in Germany
published a paper in the scientific journal Machine Learning showing
that their algorithm could estimate if a face was white, Black, Asian,
Hispanic or “other” with 99% accuracy. The researchers trained their
algorithms on a database of prison mug shots that included a label for
the race of each person, according to Dr. Laurenz Wiskott, one of the
study’s authors.

Some researchers and even vendors say race-based facial analysis should
not exist. For decades, governments have barred doctors, banks and
employers from using information about race to decide which patients to
treat, which borrowers to grant mortgages and which job applicants to
hire. Race-detection software poses the disconcerting possibility that
institutions could—intentionally or not—make decisions based on a
person’s ethnic background, in ways that are harder to detect because
they occur as complex or opaque algorithms, according to researchers in
the field.

For retailers and other businesses, facial analysis of camera footage
promises the ability to learn more about customers in bricks-and-mortar
settings.
Photo: Hannah Whitaker for The Wall Street Journal

Using AI to identify ethnicity “seems more likely to harm than help,”
says Arvind Narayanan, a computer science professor at Princeton
University who has researched how anonymized data can be used to
identify people.

A person of mixed race might disagree with how an algorithm classifies
them, says Carly Kind, director of the Ada Lovelace Institute in London,
a research group that focuses on applications of AI. “Technological
systems have the power to turn things into data, into facts, and
seemingly objective conclusions,” she says.

Software that lets employers scan the micro-expressions of job
candidates during interviews could inadvertently discriminate if it
starts to factor in race, Ms. Kind says. Police who classify ethnicity
using facial-analysis software run the risk of exacerbating racial
profiling, she says.

Ethnicity recognition could also be harmful if companies use it to push
marginalized people toward specific products or offer discriminatory
pricing, says Evan Greer, deputy director of digital rights group Fight
for the Future.

Use of face-scanning technology in China has been controversial, most
notably in Xinjiang, a region in the country’s northwest where
authorities have used it to surveil its Uighur Muslim minority. Last
year, a Chinese surveillance camera maker, Hangzhou Hikvision Digital
Technology, advertised a camera on its website that could automatically
identify Uighurs, according to security-industry trade publication IPVM.

China has used face-scanning technology to surveil its Uighur Muslim
minority in the Xinjiang region. This road, photographed in May 2019,
leads to a facility believed to be a re-education camp where mostly
Muslim ethnic minorities are detained.
Photo: greg baker/Agence France-Presse/Getty Images

Mr. Brackeen, who is Black, championed Kairos’s race-recognition system
because it could help businesses tailor their marketing to ethnic
minorities. Now, Mr. Brackeen believes that race-detection software has
the potential to fuel discrimination.

He is comfortable with businesses using it, but says governments should
not use it, and is wary of consumers using it too. Kairos released a
free app in 2017 that estimated race, showing how Black, white, Asian or
Hispanic people were if they uploaded a selfie. “I hoped that people
would see that 10% Black score and see the humanity in other people,”
Mr. Brackeen says.

More than 10 million people submitted selfies to the app to see the
results. Many of the app’s users, particularly in Brazil, complained on
social media that their scores weren’t white enough, Mr. Brackeen says.
The app was shut down.

In Northern Europe, a furniture chain used the facial-analysis software
of Dutch facial-recognition firm Sightcorp B.V. to screen customers
entering its stores, and learned that many of them were younger than it
had expected. It subsequently hired more people in their 20s and 30s to
be floor staff, according to Joyce Caradona, chief executive of
Sightcorp. Her company stopped selling its own ethnicity classification
feature in 2017, on concerns it might contravene Europe’s data-privacy
laws.

Facewatch Ltd., a British facial-recognition firm whose software spots
suspected thieves as they enter a store by screening them against a
watch list, earlier this year removed an option to track the race,
gender or age of shoppers, since “this information is irrelevant,” a
spokesman says.

There are security risks with collecting race data which could, either
by design or inadvertently, be linked to people’s identities, according
to Alex Heid, chief research officer at cybersecurity firm Security
Scorecard. His firm recently found about half a dozen websites with
security vulnerabilities around their databases holding people’s facial
data, including a facial-recognition firm and a U.S. engineering school
that required students to show their faces to log in.

Companies that offer facial-analysis services say the demographic data
their systems collect aren’t connected to individual identities. But
data brokers could, in theory, combine marketing databases that are
bought and sold online to create a more detailed picture of people on
them, Mr. Heid says, linking that data to identities.

A few years ago, companies that sold facial analysis were more open
about their ability to scan demographic features, says Zak Doffman, CEO
of Digital Barriers PLC, a British facial-recognition firm that works
with law enforcement. When large tech companies started getting flack
for their facial-recognition systems, “everyone stopped talking about
it,” he adds. “No one is talking about ethnicity identification now. Not
openly.”
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  67. 2020-08-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  68. 2020-08-04 Mark Blackman <mark-at-blackmans.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  69. 2020-08-04 Mithun Bhattacharya <mithnb-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  70. 2020-08-04 Mark Blackman <mark-at-blackmans.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  71. 2020-08-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  72. 2020-08-04 jbiskofski <jbiskofski-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  73. 2020-08-04 Mithun Bhattacharya <mithnb-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  74. 2020-08-04 Mithun Bhattacharya <mithnb-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  75. 2020-08-04 James Smith <js5-at-sanger.ac.uk> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  76. 2020-08-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  77. 2020-08-04 Mithun Bhattacharya <mithnb-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  78. 2020-08-04 Mark Blackman <mark-at-blackmans.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  79. 2020-08-04 James Smith <js5-at-sanger.ac.uk> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  80. 2020-08-04 Joseph He <joseph.he.2008-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  81. 2020-08-04 John Dunlap <John-at-lariat.co> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  82. 2020-08-04 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Warnier_=28tomcat/perl=29?= <aw-at-ice-sa.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  83. 2020-08-04 paul trader <fliptop-at-igolinux.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  84. 2020-08-04 James Smith <js5-at-sanger.ac.uk> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  85. 2020-08-04 From: "Andreas Mock" <andreas.mock-at-web.de> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  86. 2020-08-04 Jan Kasprzak <kas-at-fi.muni.cz> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  87. 2020-08-04 Ashish Mukherjee <ashish.mukherjee-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  88. 2020-08-04 Mithun Bhattacharya <mithnb-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  89. 2020-08-04 Wesley Peng <me-at-yonghua.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development language
  90. 2020-08-04 Mark Blackman <mark-at-blackmans.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  91. 2020-08-04 Mithun Bhattacharya <mithnb-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  92. 2020-08-04 Mithun Bhattacharya <mithnb-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  93. 2020-08-04 Rolf Schaufelberger <rs-at-plusw.de> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  94. 2020-08-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Question about deployment of math computing
  95. 2020-08-06 Mithun Bhattacharya <mithnb-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Question about deployment of math computing
  96. 2020-08-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Question about deployment of math computing
  97. 2020-08-07 From: "Free Software Foundation" <info-at-fsf.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The University of Costumed Heroes: A video from
  98. 2020-08-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] check out this little video for fun
  99. 2020-08-10 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #472 - Perl Steering Committee
  100. 2020-08-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] This is dangerous and it sucks... stretch
  101. 2020-08-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] mail in election troubles
  102. 2020-08-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Let us play - name their barber
  103. 2020-08-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] mail in election troubles
  104. 2020-08-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Eric Garner Fiasco continues as a point of
  105. 2020-08-11 NCPA eCommunications <ncpa.ecommunications-at-ncpanet.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] HHS reopens Provider Relief Fund portal for
  106. 2020-08-11 NYOUG <execdir-at-nyoug.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Upcoming Events for Oracle Professionals
  107. 2020-08-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] totally fucked at this point
  108. 2020-08-11 Luis Falcon <falcon-at-gnuhealth.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] Question to local hosted demo
  109. 2020-08-11 EURAFRI Networking - Karl <karl-at-eurafri.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] Question to local hosted demo database.
  110. 2020-08-11 The Billie Holiday Theatre <info-at-thebillieholiday.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] An Historic Photo for an Historic Time
  111. 2020-08-11 The Billie Holiday Theatre <info-at-thebillieholiday.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] An Historic Photo for an Historic Time
  112. 2020-08-11 Luis Falcon <falcon-at-gnuhealth.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] Some Questions
  113. 2020-08-11 Luis Falcon <falcon-at-gnuhealth.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] Question to local hosted demo
  114. 2020-08-11 EURAFRI Networking - Karl <karl-at-eurafri.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] Some Questions
  115. 2020-08-11 EURAFRI Networking - Karl <karl-at-eurafri.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] Question to local hosted demo
  116. 2020-08-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] great listen,--
  117. 2020-08-14 Sergey Poznyakoff <gray-at-gnu.org.ua> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] mailutils-3.10 released [stable]
  118. 2020-08-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Hooray
  119. 2020-08-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Confusing
  120. 2020-08-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Race identification Software
  121. 2020-08-15 From: "S." <sman356-at-yahoo.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Canon "Mega tank" printers with Linux
  122. 2020-08-15 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Canon "Mega tank" printers with Linux
  123. 2020-08-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] stop the bullshit now - child cases are not a
  124. 2020-08-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Brooklyn Politics getting heavy
  125. 2020-08-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Free Snoden Now
  126. 2020-08-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Postal Service and the Election
  127. 2020-08-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Media fear Mongering and LIEING headlines from PBS
  128. 2020-08-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] time to end the china sham
  129. 2020-08-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] fun and theatrics
  130. 2020-08-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] a complete breakdown
  131. 2020-08-16 Hebcal <noreply-at-hebcal.userecho.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Candle Lighting Times
  132. 2020-08-17 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #473 - What would you like to read
  133. 2020-08-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] age and COVID-19
  134. 2020-08-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] U.S. Coronavirus Forecasts Offer Somber Outlook,
  135. 2020-08-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Covid-19 NEVER going away... now what?
  136. 2020-08-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] South Korea's COVID-19 Miracle proves to also be
  137. 2020-08-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] crime pays - who thunk it
  138. 2020-08-17 From: "S." <sman356-at-yahoo.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] subway propaganda war | | "MASK ON,
  139. 2020-08-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Guggenheim Museum Diversity, Equity, Access,
  140. 2020-08-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Guggenheim Museum Diversity, Equity, Access,
  141. 2020-08-17 facebook <facebook-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] subway propaganda war | | "MASK ON,
  142. 2020-08-18 From: "[RSS/Feed] nixCraft: Linux Tips, Hacks, Tutorials, Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] nixCraft Linux / UNIX Newsletter
  143. 2020-08-19 Axel Braun <axel.braun-at-gmx.de> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] Tryton client connections
  144. 2020-08-18 Yusif Suleiman <yusifsuleiman-at-hotmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] Tryton client connections
  145. 2020-08-19 aviva <aviva-at-gmx.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] subway propaganda war | | "MASK ON,
  146. 2020-08-19 Axel Braun <axel.braun-at-gmx.de> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] GNU Health 3.6.4 install errors
  147. 2020-08-19 Doug Lytle <support-at-drdos.info> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] GNU Health 3.6.4 install errors
  148. 2020-08-19 Rob Dyke <robdyke-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] LiveCD / demo database request
  149. 2020-08-19 Rob Dyke <robdyke-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] LiveCD / demo database request
  150. 2020-08-19 Doug Lytle <support-at-drdos.info> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] GNU Health 3.6.4 install errors
  151. 2020-08-19 Axel Braun <axel.braun-at-gmx.de> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] GNU Health 3.6.4 install errors
  152. 2020-08-19 Rob Dyke <robdyke-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] LiveCD / demo database request
  153. 2020-08-20 From: "American Museum of Natural History" <learn-at-amnh.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Learn More About Our Upcoming Fall Session
  154. 2020-08-20 The Billie Holiday Theatre <info-at-thebillieholiday.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] A Historic Time In History, Use Your Voice NOW
  155. 2020-08-20 From: =?utf-8?Q?Zo=C3=AB_Kooyman=2C_FSF?= <info-at-fsf.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Submit your session for LibrePlanet 2021 before
  156. 2020-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] =?utf-8?b?4oCcRkVNQSwgSSdkIHJhdGhlciBkbyBidXNp?=
  157. 2020-08-21 From: "American Museum of Natural History" <email-at-amnh.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Today, see comets up close!
  158. 2020-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Cuomo to Trump - get a mask, while unmasked...
  159. 2020-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The Made up Sunset Park emergency
  160. 2020-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Coney Island is being killed by COVID-19 response.
  161. 2020-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Mail Order Election Fraud
  162. 2020-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] WUHAN-19 Costs
  163. 2020-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] bastions of Conservative Immergants...
  164. 2020-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The very real death of NYC culture
  165. 2020-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] defunding the police - in seatle fails to impress
  166. 2020-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] after a series of failures - finally the FDA is
  167. 2020-08-21 Doug Lytle <support-at-drdos.info> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] GNU Health 3.6.4 install errors
  168. 2020-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Lebanon's free fall collapse will echo for
  169. 2020-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] cyberwars in full gear
  170. 2020-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Mar 2019 - Who needs hospitals? Not Cuomo..
  171. 2020-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Who needs hostials - STILL ... Today not last
  172. 2020-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Lack of Policing makes crime rise? Who knew?
  173. 2020-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Black Lives really DO matter... Minories and
  174. 2020-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] The sumartion of Cuomo's death toll added to
  175. 2020-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] US Postal Service and Elections
  176. 2020-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Learning from the Enemy Camp and the Value of
  177. 2020-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Trumps Words - The right to decide for yourself..
  178. 2020-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The economy is not coming back... suprise.
  179. 2020-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Hezbolah and Lebanon
  180. 2020-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Keep your friends closer..
  181. 2020-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The Chinese technological threat and recruitment
  182. 2020-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] hacking wars in the covid-19 period
  183. 2020-08-10 Boris Reitman <boris.reitman-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Tree Table
  184. 2020-08-23 Luis Falcon <falcon-at-gnuhealth.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] GNU Health 3.6.4 install errors
  185. 2020-08-23 Axel Braun <axel.braun-at-gmx.de> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] GNU Health 3.6.4 install errors
  186. 2020-08-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] closed platform means closed!
  187. 2020-08-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] COVID-19 Cost of Unemployment - Europe and the US
  188. 2020-08-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] How nyc is emparing economic recorvy over petty
  189. 2020-08-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] stimulating the Chinese economy with US money
  190. 2020-08-24 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #474 - Perl and Docker
  191. 2020-08-25 The Billie Holiday Theatre <info-at-thebillieholiday.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Taking a Moment to Pause & Reflect
  192. 2020-08-25 ruth02-at-web.de Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Tree Table --> How many minutes to build it
  193. 2020-08-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Tree Table --> How many minutes to build it
  194. 2020-08-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] current schedule out of Sheepshead Bay
  195. 2020-08-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The massive layoffs are now starting - American
  196. 2020-08-26 Adam Richter <adamrichter4-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [png-mng-implement] Impedements to libpng-1.7.0
  197. 2020-08-26 From: "[RSS/Feed] nixCraft: Linux Tips, Hacks, Tutorials, Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] nixCraft Linux / UNIX Newsletter
  198. 2020-08-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] to top off a perfectly terrible month...
  199. 2020-08-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Insurance Company Windfalls
  200. 2020-08-27 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Perl is not quite dead yet
  201. 2020-08-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] =?utf-8?q?news_worth_reporting_-_Pyongyang?=
  202. 2020-08-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] AI challenge
  203. 2020-08-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Opinion | Cuomo Gets a Nursing Home Inspectio
  204. 2020-08-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] WHO failure
  205. 2020-08-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] me politics
  206. 2020-08-31 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #475 - Perl jobs? Perl events?
  207. 2020-08-31 NCPA eCommunications <ncpa.ecommunications-at-ncpanet.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] NCPA pushes House committee to address mail order
  208. 2020-08-31 From: "Donald Robertson, III, DBD" <info-at-defectivebydesign.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The DMCA could use an update,

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