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The issue here is not JUST the security of the drones, but the impact that these purchases have on the entire US manufactoring ecosystem. US defense can NOT be dependent on Chinese manufacturing capacity. That is a policy of national suicide. WSJ News Exclusive | Air Force Purchase of Chinese Drones Spurs Security Concerns Brett Forrest and Gordon Lubold 8-10 minutes The U.S. Air Force recently bought dozens of Chinese-made drones to use for testing and training, according to officials and records of the purchase, fueling concerns about continued Defense Department use of technology that lawmakers consider a threat to national security. The Air Force Special Operations Command, the service’s highly trained commando division, bought 57 drones in September from Da-Jiang Innovations, or DJI, the world’s largest maker of unmanned aerial systems, based in Shenzhen, China. They will be used to train airmen on how they could be used against the U.S. or its allies and how to defeat them, officials said. Air Force officials said the drones are cost-effective and useful, and a DJI spokesman said they don’t pose a risk of data loss or theft. But critics have said the drones could be used to gather information about the U.S. military and critical infrastructure, or in other instances of espionage and data collection, sending the information back to China. ‘Why would we allow the U.S. government to purchase drones from China?’ said Sen. Chris Murphy (D., Conn.). Photo: Susan Walsh/Bloomberg News “Why would we allow the U.S. government to purchase drones from China?” Sen. Chris Murphy (D., Conn.) said. “Doing so allows Beijing to gather sensitive data from us and rewards an adversary at the expense of our own American manufacturers.” Legislation included last year in a defense-policy bill prohibited federal agencies from purchasing Chinese drones. However, the bill provided the Pentagon with an exemption to use such aircraft for training and intelligence purposes in the U.S. and overseas. The Air Force operates U.S. unmanned fleets world-wide and trains pilots to control drones used for surveillance and combat purposes. Some of those drones consist of small aircraft such as Reapers or Global Hawks—which can range in weight up to several tons—compared with the hand-held DJI Mavic 2 drones. The Special Operations Command has for years purchased and used a range of Chinese-manufactured, off-the-shelf drones, including those made by DJI as well as drones produced in European countries, a military official said. An internal Special Operations Command memo in June approved the use of DJI drones for training, analysis and other operations but didn’t spell out the kinds of operations that could be conducted, which lawmakers said appeared to be at odds with last year’s law. Other Mavic 2 drones have been used overseas in intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance operations, but that is “the exception rather than the rule,” the military official said. Based in Shenzen, China, DJI is the worlds largest maker of unmanned aerial systems. Photo: Qilai Shen/Bloomberg News Lawmakers said they are concerned about the use of the drones for purposes that might run counter to the legislation passed and signed into law. “It’s very concerning that the Air Force would choose to make this purchase, which seems to be in conflict with the spirit of these provisions,” said Sen. Rick Scott (R., Fla.). Messrs. Murphy and Scott sponsored the drone legislation included in last year’s spending bill. A Senate aide expressed concern that any information collected by the drones could be transmitted to Beijing, exposing vulnerabilities of the U.S. or its allies. Navy Cmdr. Tim Hawkins, a special operations command spokesman, said that the military employs cybersecurity software and strict guidelines when using such drones. “We ensure the commercial, off-the-shelf unmanned aerial systems our special operations forces use do not compromise national security,” he said. The military official said that the Air Force can cover a drone’s cameras for certain operations and that the military doesn’t use these drones in instances where they could capture imagery that may undermine the U.S. or its allies. They may not be connected to any military computer network or used near “sensitive sites,” the military official said. A DJI spokesman said the drones are designed to safeguard information. “Our drone technology is safe and secure for customers who have sensitive data,” said Adam Lisberg, the DJI spokesman. “DJI drones include validated data protections to make sure your data stays only with you.” Sen. Rick Scott (R., Fla.) is one of the lawmakers concerned about the Air Force’s recent purchase of drones made by DJI. Photo: joshua roberts/pool/Shutterstock In October, DJI distributed a memo to lawmakers that stated that “national security is being used as a pretext for economic protectionism,” and characterized the ban as a way to “give the American industry a leg up.” There are no known cases of data collected on a DJI drone being dispatched to China, Mr. Lisberg said. “There is no receiver that sends your stuff to Beijing,” said George Howell, an analyst at Rain Research, which studies the defense industry. “But you don’t want to get in the habit of buying these for the military. To be up in arms about something like this is a good message to send.” The dispute over the purchase is the latest row in a conflict between lawmakers and the Pentagon, which relies on DJI’s affordable drones. The Mavic 2 Pro sells on Amazon for less than $1,600. The government has long been concerned about them. In 2017, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security drafted a bulletin stating that DJI drones may be collecting U.S. government data. At the time, more than a dozen federal agencies used DJI drones, including the Interior Department, which possessed hundreds of models for use in firefighting, surveying, and search-and-rescue operations. Concerned about a 2016 Chinese cybersecurity law requiring Chinese companies to surrender data upon demand, the Interior Department and other agencies last year grounded their DJI fleets, and the Pentagon effectively banned the purchase of the drones, but for the exemption. The Pentagon assigned its Defense Innovation Unit, which works with private-sector tech companies, to develop and identify viable alternatives. In August, the DIU approved four U.S. drone manufacturers and one French firm for federal procurements. The Air Force nonetheless bought drones from DJI. The procurement form that the Air Force submitted for the 57-drone purchase stated that the Mavic 2 is more cost-effective than any other viable device. “This is a reflection of how difficult it is to on-ramp new and innovative American technology,” said Mr. Howell, the defense industry analyst. “We can’t get into the habit of buying DJI drones, because we need to grow our own industry.” Write to Brett Forrest at brett.forrest-at-wsj.com and Gordon Lubold at Gordon.Lubold-at-wsj.com On 11/2/20 11:12 AM, aviva wrote: > Thisis the POLITICAL ELITE that they would have you trust.. >>From todays Wall Street Journal. > > VOTE Trump and end the stupidity. > > Air Force Purchase of Chinese Drones Spurs Security Concerns > The military uses drones for training and other purposes as lawmakers, > experts warn of possible risks of data theft > > The Air Force recently bought 57 drones from China’s Da-Jiang > Innovations to be used in testing and training. > > By > and > Nov. 2, 2020 8:00 am ET > > The U.S. Air Force recently bought dozens of Chinese-made drones to use > for testing and training, according to officials and records of the > purchase, fueling concerns about continued Defense Department use of > technology that lawmakers consider a threat to national security. > The Air Force Special Operations Command, the service’s highly trained > commando division, bought 57 drones in September from Da-Jiang > Innovations, or DJI, the world’s largest maker of unmanned aerial > systems, based in Shenzhen, China. They will be used to train airmen on > how they could be used against the U.S. or its allies and how to defeat > them, officials said. > Air Force officials said the drones are cost-effective and useful, and a > DJI spokesman said they don’t pose a risk of data loss or theft. > But critics have said the drones could be used to gather information > about the U.S. military and critical infrastructure, or in other > instances of espionage and data collection, sending the information back > to China. > > https://www.wsj.com/articles/air-force-purchase-of-chinese-drones-spurs-security-concerns-11604322017?mod=hp_lead_pos4 > _______________________________________________ > Hangout mailing list > Hangout-at-nylxs.com > http://lists.mrbrklyn.com/mailman/listinfo/hangout > -- So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 http://www.mrbrklyn.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - 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NYLXS] =?utf-8?q?Joe_Biden=E2=80=99s_Lockdown_Lobby?= 2020-11-13 From: "Xavier B. via artix-general" <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] Was pandoc-bin dropped from 2020-11-13 Liam R E Quin <liam-at-holoweb.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] 10-bit display color depth 2020-11-13 LKH via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] 10-bit display color depth support 2020-11-01 From: "Rick Strong" <rnstrong-at-primus.ca> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Color map is different than Color 2020-11-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Herb Immunity - a lot closer than they admitted 2020-11-14 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Merchant of venice - entertainment for the 2020-11-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The rise of C++ 2020-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Facebook AI, China and censorship 2020-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Our Chinese Partners who we depend on for 2020-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Doing business with trators and genocidal 2020-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Vacinne or No vaccine - Biden transition 2020-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Chinese Selfidentification in the global economy 2020-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] What is a little Genocide between trading partners 2020-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] What is a little Genocide between trading 2020-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Social Pressure on Tawain is how China will treat 2020-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Snoden on your cellphone spying 2020-11-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Men's rights 2020-11-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] I am looking for a new phone and this is what I 2020-11-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] I am looking for a new phone and this is what 2020-11-16 mayer ilovitz <pmamayeri-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] list of linux compatible motherboards/vendors ? 2020-11-16 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #486 - Why do we use Perl? 2020-11-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] list of linux compatible motherboards/vendors 2020-11-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] list of linux compatible motherboards/vendors 2020-11-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] tux phones 2020-11-16 From: "S." <sman356-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fw: Carding | | PHOTO MILITARY ID REFUSED | | The 2020-11-16 From: "S." <sman356-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fw: Beware ATF Form 4473 [ FYI ] 2020-11-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fw: Carding | | PHOTO MILITARY ID REFUSED | | 2020-11-17 aviva <aviva-at-gmx.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fw: Carding | | PHOTO MILITARY ID REFUSED | | 2020-11-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Radio Show 2020-11-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Snoden on data collection 2020-11-17 NYOUG <execdir-at-nyoug.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Upcoming Events for Oracle Professionals 2020-11-17 Liz Moore <lizmoorerph-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Snoden on data collection 2020-11-17 aviva <aviva-at-gmx.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Snoden on data collection 2020-11-17 aviva <aviva-at-gmx.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Snoden on data collection 2020-11-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] SuSE going IPO 2020-11-17 From: "John Sullivan, FSF" <info-at-fsf.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Support the free software journey 2020-11-18 From: "Pat Schloss" <pdschloss-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [mothur] Code Club series and upcoming mothur and 2020-11-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] retail craziness and target 2020-11-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] tracking waves through the economy and it DOES 2020-11-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] More of the same puts our healthcare system at 2020-11-18 From: "S." <sman356-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Passport needed to enter Pennsylvania | | *** The 2020-11-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Abandoning our children 2020-11-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Virus resolution just not soon enough - but on a 2020-11-18 Rabbinical Seminary of America/Yeshiva Chofetz Chaim Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Please Join Our Sefer Torah / Dinner Campaign. 2020-11-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Vaccine development breakthroughs and high Tech 2020-11-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Vaccine drag out by Faucci 2020-11-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Elli Lilly FDA citations 2020-11-19 George Moskowitz MD <yehudazev-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fwd: A True Story of the invisible but dangerous 2020-11-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Masking Mandates 2020-11-19 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [ Docs ] Masking Mandates Part II 2020-11-19 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [ Docs ] Masking Mandates Part III 2020-11-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] previous radio show 2020-11-19 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] vaccines politics and WHO 2020-11-19 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Vaccines in History 2020-11-19 From: "Canarsie Courier" <emailsentby-at-icontactmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Inside This Week's Edition of the Canarsie Courier 2020-11-20 From: "Greg Farough, DbD" <info-at-defectivebydesign.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] FSF Giving Guide: It's the thought that counts, 2020-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] COVID-19 Test kit problems 2020-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] lockdowns killed Macy's, and with that, 2020-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] drug prices and medical economics 2020-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] vaccine cheat sheet 2020-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Ain BnB and Communist China survalience and data 2020-11-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] openshot from in artix/arch 2020-11-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] openshot from in artix/arch 2020-11-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] openshot from in artix/arch 2020-11-22 Gene Heskett <gheskett-at-shentel.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] GIMP is 25 yo 2020-11-21 Tom via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] GIMP is 25 yo 2020-11-23 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #487 - CPAN Dashboard explained 2020-11-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Immunology and COVID-19 from Ariel U - tomorrow 2020-11-23 From: =?utf-8?Q?Ludovic_Court=C3=A8s?= <ludo-at-gnu.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] GNU Guix 1.2.0 released 2020-11-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fwd: Call for Distinguished Lecturers 2020-11-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fwd: GnuPG 2.2.25 released 2020-11-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Applied Math R and Stats etc 2020-11-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] cable will screw you more this coming year 2020-11-23 From: "Ruben Rodriguez, FSF" <info-at-fsf.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Moving into the future with the FSF tech team 2020-11-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Student Loan relief, and governance by fiat.. 2020-11-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] 2001 - just in case anyone missed this 2020-11-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Chinese apps continue to collect your personal 2020-11-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Chinese apps continue to collect your 2020-11-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] FWIW - Trump continues to deliver on his promises 2020-11-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The New Public Enemy Number One 2020-11-25 aviva <aviva-at-gmx.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] The New Public Enemy Number One 2020-11-26 From: "S." <sman356-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fw: Washington Times: Biden won thousands of 2020-11-26 From: "S." <sman356-at-yahoo.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions on building a linux system ? 2020-11-26 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions on building a linux system ? 2020-11-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] a small amount of COVID-19 justice 2020-11-29 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] building python-pymupdf from 2020-11-29 jc_gargma via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] generating zstd compress 2020-11-28 jc_gargma via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] generating zstd compress 2020-11-28 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] generating zstd compress 2020-11-28 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] generating zstd compress initrd 2020-11-28 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] building python-pymupdf from AUR 2020-11-29 Ruben Safir via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] building python-pymupdf from 2020-11-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The death of our freedom to travel (like it is in 2020-11-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] the real end of the free world... this is it.. 2020-11-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Free Snowden now... 2020-11-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The effects of industiral shutdown on the 2020-11-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [ Docs ] the real end of the free world... 2020-11-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Dovid and Itka Safir fighting for Social justice 2020-11-29 Rabbinical Seminary of America/Yeshiva Chofetz Chaim Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Please Join Our Sefer Torah / Dinner Campaign. 2020-11-29 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] alsactl restore not 2020-11-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The Supreme Court and the Census - the REAL 2020-11-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The Voting system has fraud baked in... 2020-11-30 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #488 - Advent Calendar 2020 2020-11-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Can folks see this image? 2020-11-30 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [artix-gen] python2-pillow 2020-11-30 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] alsactl restore not 2020-11-30 Dudemanguy via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] alsactl restore not 2020-11-30 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] alsactl restore not 2020-11-30 Dudemanguy via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] alsactl restore not 2020-11-17 Joe Orton <jorton-at-apache.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [ANNOUNCE] libapreq2-2.15 Released 2020-11-17 From: "Edward J. Sabol" <edwardjsabol-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [ANNOUNCE] libapreq2-2.15 Released NYLXS are Do'ers and the first step of Doing is Joining! Join NYLXS and make a difference in your community today!