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DATE 2020-11-29
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SUBJECT Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The effects of industiral shutdown on the
https://www.wsj.com/articles/gms-closed-lordstown-factory-spawns-a-wave-of-industrial-migrants-11606674412?mod=hp_lead_pos7

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GM’s Closed Lordstown Factory Spawns a Wave of Industrial Migrants
Michael M. Phillips and Nora Naughton | Photographs by Maddie McGarvey
for The Wall Street Journal
21-26 minutes

On Zach Sherry’s first day of work at the General Motors Co. factory in
Bedford, Ind., trainers gave a safety presentation that included an
image of a cartoon hand spurting blood from the ring finger.

The overt message was straightforward: Rings can get caught in the
machinery, so don’t wear them on the job.

The symbolism wasn’t lost on the 48-year-old Mr. Sherry, who had
transferred to the Indiana facility after losing his previous job at the
GM plant in Lordstown, Ohio, that shut down last year. The transfer
meant leaving his family behind one state away.

“You just took me 450 miles from my home and you’re telling me to take
my wedding ring off,” he says.

Mr. Sherry is one of a cadre of Lordstown workers turned middle-aged
industrial migrants, venturing out alone in search of good pay and benefits.

Itinerant work has long been common in manufacturing, including people
moving around the country for fracking jobs. Auto workers haven’t been
immune to chasing their livelihoods across state lines, either. When GM
and Chrysler LLC. closed plants as part of their bankruptcy
restructurings a decade ago, workers were moved to the factories that
survived.

The workers in Lordstown, many of whom are multigenerational GM
employees, never planned to be among them. The plant was an example of
American manufacturing might when it opened in 1966, churning out
Chevrolet Impalas, Bel Airs and Caprices.

It has since become a symbol of the economic struggles of those who work
in factory jobs. American auto workers in particular, already losing
work due to advances in automation and shifts to overseas plants, now
also face dwindling job prospects as car makers increasingly look to
move to easier-to-assemble electric models.

Manufacturing jobs have grown during the economic expansion over the
past decade, though the numbers have shrunk over the long term. In Ohio,
the number of employees in manufacturing has dropped 35% since 2000, to
around 660,700 in September, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

A few months after taking office, President Trump traveled to
Youngstown, a short drive from Lordstown, addressing blue-collar
supporters who worried their factory jobs were gone for good.

“They’re all coming back,” he said. “Don’t move. Don’t sell your house.”

Instead, cratering demand for the Chevrolet Cruze left the Lordstown
plant without a car to build, and, following a 40-day strike, company
and United Auto Workers union officials agreed on terms for closing the
plant. A large cadre of veteran employees faced the choice between
staying home with their families but uncertain financial futures, or
relocating to other GM plants where they’d hang onto their union pay and
benefits.

When the assembly lines at Lordstown finally stopped, nearly all of the
plant’s roughly 1,400 hourly auto workers were able to find jobs at
other GM plants. The vast majority were in Texas, Missouri, Tennessee
and other out-of-state locations, according to the company.

Some Lordstown workers sold their houses and hauled spouses and children
to their new job sites. About half ventured out on their own, leaving
families and homes in Ohio, according to people in the union who helped
with transfers.

Lordstown Motors Corp., an electric-truck startup that bought GM’s
factory in town, has promised to create jobs for 4,000 to 5,000 workers.
Nearby, GM is building a $2.3 billion battery factory jointly operated
with LG Chem that the companies say will employ 1,100 people.

Neither the battery nor the truck factory has begun full operations. The
UAW will represent battery-plant workers, and Lordstown Motors has said
it’s open to union representation for its workers but doesn’t have a
contract. Still, it’s likely many of the jobs created at both factories
will pay less than those lost at GM.

Veteran GM workers have an incentive to stay with the company. For
decades, good pay and defined-benefit pensions were guaranteed in
contracts negotiated by United Auto Workers for workers at GM, Ford
Motor Co. and Fiat Chrysler Automobiles NV. U.S. car companies and the
union agreed to eliminate pensions for new hires in 2007.

The reduced benefits paralleled a larger decline in UAW strength.
Membership, which reached 1.5 million in the late 1970s, was just under
400,000 last year.

GM’s Bedford, Ind., facility, which took some 60 former Lordstown
workers, churns out engine and transmission components 24 hours a day.
The company often requires employees there to work seven days a week.
There’s abundant additional overtime for those who want it.

The last Chevrolet Cruze comes off the assembly line at GM’s Lordstown
plant in March 2019.
Photo: Tim O'Hara/Associated Press

The result is that many Lordstown migrants have seen their lives reduced
to work-eat-sleep-work cycles, clocking in and clocking out until they
can rejoin their families.
First shift: Jay Dye

It’s almost like the bright yellow Chevy Cobalt is taunting Jay Dye.

Every day around 7:30 p.m., after another 12-hour shift at the Bedford
factory, Mr. Dye unwinds with a stroll around the Eagle Pointe Golf
Resort, where he shares a two-bedroom rental unit with another transient
GM forklift driver. The route leads him past the home of a GM family
with the Cobalt in the driveway.

The model used to be assembled at the Lordstown factory. The chances are
pretty good that Mr. Dye installed the speedometer or the radio on the
yellow one.

“Seeing that car every day is a kick in the gut,” he says.

Mr. Dye, 45 years old, started out studying special education at Kent
State University. But the $18,000 he expected to earn as a teacher after
college couldn’t match the $50,000 he’d make at GM with a high-school
diploma. So he quit school and, in 1996, took a job at Lordstown, a
ticket to the middle class. In six years he’ll complete three decades at
GM and be eligible to retire with a $3,400 monthly pension.

As rumors swirled about Lordstown’s closure in 2017, Mr. Dye found
comfort in Mr. Trump’s words and in the UAW’s reassurances that union
leaders would press GM to find some use for the plant.

“My whole life I thought Lordstown was going to be there,” he says.

Jay Dye eats birthday cake with son Jaxon at home in Ohio in September.
Mr. Dye was home for the weekend for Jaxon's 9th birthday.

Jaxon mostly put aside his favorite hobby, racing cars on a dirt track,
when his father went to Indiana. Mr. Dye had supervised the races and
worked on the car.

Mr. Dye packs up for the return trip to Indiana.

Cathy Dye helps Jaren, Gianna and Jaxon with schoolwork.

Mr. Dye makes dinner back in Indiana.

Jay Dye eats birthday cake with son Jaxon at home in Ohio in September.
Mr. Dye was home for the weekend for Jaxon’s 9th birthday.

Mr. Dye packs up for the return trip to Indiana.

Cathy Dye helps Jaxon with schoolwork.

His daughter, 17-year-old Gianna, is a drum majorette and a competitive
golfer and dancer. Neither Mr. Dye nor his wife, clinical social worker
Cathy Dye, wanted to tear her away from her high school and activities
in Ohio.

Some co-workers transferred to other factories in the months before GM
and the UAW agreed on terms for closing Lordstown. Mr. Dye held out
until just a month before the shutdown and found himself with limited
options.

He settled for a $5,000 relocation bonus, which committed him to work
one year in Bedford, 6½ hours by car from home.

He brought very little with him: Five pairs of Dickies work pants, four
pairs of jeans, some T-shirts and a few sweatshirts. He figures he can
pack it all, start the car and be gone in two minutes.

The Dyes’ youngest, 9-year-old Jaxon, has taken his father’s absence the
hardest of their three children. During his evening walks, Mr. Dye
fields calls from Jaxon about football or his favorite hobby—racing
small, high-powered cars on a dirt track.

When Mr. Dye visits home, every third weekend, he usually sleeps in
Jaxon’s room.

Mr. Dye talks to Jaxon after work.

In Bedford, he punches in each day between 6:54 and 6:56 a.m., and
starts driving the forklift at 7. He usually logs 84 hours a week—12
hours a day over seven days—loading trucks with parts for factories in
Mexico, Canada, New York and other states.

Mr. Dye makes dinner back in Indiana.

Mr. Dye talks to Jaxon after work.

“Right now I’m existing,” Mr. Dye says. “I’m not really living.”

This fall, Mr. Dye got a reprieve of sorts. GM granted his request to
transfer to a plant in Toledo, and he started there Monday. Unlike the
Bedford factory, Toledo doesn’t have mandatory weekend shifts, so he
plans to visit home every week. And the plant is just 2½ hours away,
adding eight hours of family time to every weekend visit.
Second shift: Zach Sherry

Before he punches in at the factory by 3 each afternoon, Mr. Sherry
takes off his wedding ring, secures it in an Altoids tin and tucks it
into his lunchbox.

He and his wife, Liz Sherry, 48, were high-school sweethearts. Thirty
years later, he is still happy to warm up her cold feet at night. “It’s
just a little thing, but it makes me miss him,” says Mrs. Sherry.

One morning after he left for Indiana, she woke up to discover that
during the night she had organized his pillows into the shape of a person.

Mrs. Sherry lives on her family farm in East Palestine, Ohio, in the
dream house she and Mr. Sherry built together, sunflowers lining the
driveway.

Mr. Sherry eats breakfast at his condo before work.

Mr. Sherry eats breakfast at his condo before work.

In Indiana, Mr. Sherry rented for a while. In July he bought a
two-bedroom condo, complete with furniture, in the Eagle Pointe
development where Mr. Dye lived. The condo retains the impersonal
cleanliness of a real-estate developer’s model home.

The house backs onto a wooded hillside leading down to Monroe Lake. Most
mornings before work, Mr. Sherry carves a couple of steps into the steep
slope, gradually building a staircase connecting the condo to the shore.

It’s a ploy to make Indiana an appealing place to stay for his kids,
19-year-old Parker, a quarterback at West Liberty University in
Wheeling, W.Va., and 17-year-old Payton, in her senior year of high school.

Mr. Sherry bought two kayaks and fantasizes that Parker will do his
online studies at the condo and they’ll paddle around the lake together.
He watches Payton’s basketball games online and plans vacations around
her golf tournaments.

After Mr. Sherry finishes cutting stairs, he goes for a short hike or
jumps in the lake. One recent morning he pointed across the cove toward
the home of another Lordstown bachelor. “He’s got three kids,” Mr.
Sherry said, before pivoting and pointing toward a house in the other
direction. “He’s got kids.”

Zach Sherry plays a game with his kids, Parker and Payton, and his wife,
Liz Sherry, at home in Ohio.

Breakfast with the family. Mrs. Sherry stocks her husband’s freezer in
Indiana with meatloaf, chicken Alfredo and wedding soup with
mini-meatballs so he can have home-cooked meals.

Mr. and Mrs. Sherry walk along their property, part of Mrs. Sherry's
family farm.

Another Lordstown exile has a boat, and Mr. Sherry plans to try midnight
fishing after his shift. He avoids bars. “I don’t want to put myself in
a position to end up in the hospital or prison,” he says.

Zach Sherry plays a game with his kids, Parker and Payton, and his wife,
Liz Sherry, at home in Ohio.

Mr. Sherry and Parker.

Mr. and Mrs. Sherry walk along their property, part of Mrs. Sherry’s
family farm.

Stories circulate among the Lordstown transplants of marriages crumbling
under the pressure of separation.

Payton feels guilty for not making more time for phone calls with her
dad. To compensate, she saved their favorite shows from Shark Week to
watch with him.

Parker worries about his dad’s loneliness, and about his own. “It’s like
I lost my best friend,” Parker says, his voice catching.

After high school, Mr. Sherry worked in a country-club locker room,
before starting his own cleaning service. He felt lucky when his brother
hooked him up with GM in 2000. “In our area there aren’t many jobs,” he
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Now he’s 10 years away from being eligible to retire and, having grown
up poor himself, hopes to have enough money when he dies to leave
something for Payton and Parker.

To do that, he took on one of the most dangerous jobs at the Bedford
factory—mixing alloys in a foundry that burns at 1,700 degrees. He
spends all day in a smock and a full sweat, melting down rejected parts
and other aluminum scrap.

“I don’t know if I’ve got 10 years in me,” Mr. Sherry admits.

Zach Sherry at his condo before work.

Zach Sherry at his condo before work.
Third shift: Dan Santangelo

On the wall of Dan Santangelo’s rented house at Eagle Pointe is a
cluster of framed photos. Happy grandkids. An expectant couple. Palm
trees and a grinning vacationer.

It’s a typical display of family photos. But it’s the landlord’s family
on the wall, not Mr. Santangelo’s.

Mr. Santangelo, 50, started missing his family even before he left them
to work at Bedford last year. Day after day he sat silently in a
recliner at the house in New Middleton, Ohio, and stared into the void
like a man facing a prison sentence—five years away from home until he
could retire.

He’d chew over the what-ifs. What if his parents got sick? What if
something happened to his two kids, or his wife? What if he didn’t earn
enough to cover two households?

He stopped eating but couldn’t stop throwing up. His wife, Anna
Santangelo, finally convinced him to seek help.

Dan Santangelo sits on his couch before work.

The doctor put him on “happy pills,” as Mr. Santangelo calls the
antidepressants. He’s not happy. But the drugs keep him suspended above
the abyss.

The blackness was familiar and frightening. In 2009, the Santangelos
found themselves in a deep financial hole, having overspent on their
three-bedroom ranch house. The national recession led GM to cut shifts
at the Lordstown plant, and the combination of growing debt and reduced
income forced the family to seek refuge in bankruptcy.

Mr. Santangelo contemplated suicide, contriving ways to make it look
accidental so that his wife could get his life-insurance payout. “I felt
like I failed as a man, a husband and a father,” he says.

His family talked him back from the brink, and life settled down into a
happy decade of basketball games with his daughter, 19-year-old Gianna,
and working at the volunteer fire department with his son, 22-year-old
Joe. The family shared Sunday night pasta dinners with his parents.

Mr. Santangelo admits he cheated his way through high school and
struggled with the book work when he tried aircraft mechanics.

His father, Perry Santangelo, worked at the GM Lordstown plant from 1966
to 2000. He pulled strings with the union to get Dan a job in 1995.

“I knew if I got into GM, my worries were over,” say the younger Mr.
Santangelo.

Anna Santangelo cuts her husband Dan Santangelo's hair outside of their
home in Ohio. Dan surprised Anna with a weekend visit.

Mr. Santangelo shows his parents on the calendar the next time he'll be
back for a visit.

Mr. Santangelo packs for Indiana.

Mr. and Mrs. Santangelo say goodbye before Mr. Santangelo leaves for
Indiana.

Mrs. Santangelo with their Labrador Retriever, Abby, after her husband left.

Anna Santangelo cuts her husband Dan Santangelo’s hair outside of their
home in Ohio. Dan surprised Anna with a weekend visit.

Mr. Santangelo shows his parents on the calendar the next time he’ll be
back for a visit.

Mr. and Mrs. Santangelo say goodbye before Mr. Santangelo leaves for
Indiana.

When Lordstown shut its doors, Mr. Santangelo took a $30,000 bonus for a
three-year commitment to relocate to Bedford. “You’ve got no choice,
buddy,” his father told him. “You can’t just quit GM.”

Until Mr. Dye moved to Toledo this month, he and Mr. Santangelo shared
the two-bedroom unit at Eagle Pointe. Some days, the only time they saw
each other was when Mr. Santangelo finished the overnight shift, which
starts at 11 p.m., and handed off the forklift to Mr. Dye in the morning.

Every day Mr. Santangelo packs the same sandwich—ham, turkey, cheese and
Miracle Whip on wheat—for the unnamed meal that comes in the middle of
his shift.

He frets over the possibility that he won’t be close enough to help if
something bad happens to his family. He calls Joe to remind him to
replace the smoke-detector batteries. It was mere chance that he was
home in May, when Mrs. Santangelo’s father grew fevered and delirious
and died of Covid-19 alone in the hospital.

The stability and security Mr. Santangelo thought would be his when he
joined GM remain just out of reach. “Never in my wildest dreams did I
think Lordstown would close,” he says.

Write to Michael M. Phillips at michael.phillips-at-wsj.com and Nora
Naughton at Nora.Naughton-at-wsj.com

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  27. 2020-11-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] The whole of the Hunter Biden scandal and the
  28. 2020-11-05 mayer ilovitz <pmamayeri-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] The whole of the Hunter Biden scandal and the
  29. 2020-11-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Senate still in contention - with new election
  30. 2020-11-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Obama Care in the Supreme Court
  31. 2020-11-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The immorality that our professional dipolmatic
  32. 2020-11-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] FBI involvement in our elections..
  33. 2020-11-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] best analysis of the election
  34. 2020-11-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] This is election results by Assembly Group and
  35. 2020-11-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] This is election results by Assembly Group and
  36. 2020-11-08 mayer ilovitz <pmamayeri-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fwd: JP 11/8/20: AOC Calls for 'Archiving Trump
  37. 2020-11-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] openshot from in artix/arch
  38. 2020-11-09 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #485 - Dead or Alive
  39. 2020-11-09 Rabbinical Seminary of America/Yeshiva Chofetz Chaim Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Launching an Exciting New Initiative!
  40. 2020-11-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] openshot from in artix/arch
  41. 2020-11-10 David Runge <dave-at-sleepmap.de> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] openshot from in artix/arch
  42. 2020-11-09 mayer ilovitz <pmamayeri-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] mathematical impossibilities of biden win
  43. 2020-11-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] openshot from in artix/arch
  44. 2020-11-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] COVID-19 Deaths and politics
  45. 2020-11-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Ripping up the economy and the shake out..
  46. 2020-11-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Hezbullah displomacy under Trump
  47. 2020-11-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Trump PAC - new phase of the post-election
  48. 2020-11-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] New York City on Cusp of Second Wave of Covid-19,
  49. 2020-11-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Collapse of downtown
  50. 2020-11-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Boycotting Trump Supporters
  51. 2020-11-10 Ruben Safir via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] updates keep blowing away my
  52. 2020-11-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] updates keep blowing away my
  53. 2020-11-11 Ruben Safir via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] updates keep blowing away my
  54. 2020-11-11 Carlo den Otter via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] updates keep blowing away my
  55. 2020-11-10 Kian Kasad via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] updates keep blowing away my
  56. 2020-11-10 cromer--- via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] updates keep blowing away my
  57. 2020-11-10 Ruben Safir via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] updates keep blowing away my
  58. 2020-11-10 Ruben Safir via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] updates keep blowing away my
  59. 2020-11-10 Ruben Safir via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] updates keep blowing away my
  60. 2020-11-01 cromer--- via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] aurutils artix friendly?
  61. 2020-11-10 Ruben Safir via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] openshot from in artix/arch
  62. 2020-11-10 Ruben Safir via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [dave-at-sleepmap.de: Re: openshot
  63. 2020-11-09 Ruben Safir via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] openshot from in artix/arch
  64. 2020-11-01 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] aurutils artix friendly?
  65. 2020-11-01 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] aurutils artix friendly?
  66. 2020-11-11 From: =?utf-8?Q?Zo=C3=AB_Kooyman=2C_FSF?= <info-at-fsf.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] LibrePlanet 2021: join us online on March 20 & 21
  67. 2020-11-11 Karen Perilman via Docs <docs-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [ Docs ] New York City on Cusp of Second Wave
  68. 2020-11-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] fbi politics
  69. 2020-11-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fwd: New article by the GNU Education Team
  70. 2020-11-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions on building a linux system ?
  71. 2020-11-12 mayer ilovitz <pmamayeri-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions on building a linux system ?
  72. 2020-11-12 mayer ilovitz <pmamayeri-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions on building a linux system ?
  73. 2020-11-10 Liz Moore via Docs <docs-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [ Docs ] New York City on Cusp of Second Wave
  74. 2020-11-13 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions on building a linux system ?
  75. 2020-11-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Congradulations - Now every child is a Google
  76. 2020-11-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Digging in for the new normal - Invest in
  77. 2020-11-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] teaching to think...
  78. 2020-11-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Biden to put the IRS on your smalphone
  79. 2020-11-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The Nation is going bankrupt,
  80. 2020-11-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Israel E-Scooter Crazy
  81. 2020-11-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Chinese Threat continues
  82. 2020-11-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Chinese Threat continues
  83. 2020-11-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Chinese Threat continues
  84. 2020-11-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Continuation of Governance by executive EDICT -
  85. 2020-11-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The real dangers of facial recognition software
  86. 2020-11-13 Humberto Freitas <humberto.freitas310-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] Setting up commissions on GNU Health
  87. 2020-11-13 Luis Falcon <falcon-at-gnuhealth.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] Setting up commissions on GNU Health
  88. 2020-11-13 Humberto Freitas <humberto.freitas310-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] Setting up commissions on GNU Health
  89. 2020-11-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] =?utf-8?q?Joe_Biden=E2=80=99s_Lockdown_Lobby?=
  90. 2020-11-13 From: "Xavier B. via artix-general" <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] Was pandoc-bin dropped from
  91. 2020-11-13 Liam R E Quin <liam-at-holoweb.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] 10-bit display color depth
  92. 2020-11-13 LKH via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] 10-bit display color depth support
  93. 2020-11-01 From: "Rick Strong" <rnstrong-at-primus.ca> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Color map is different than Color
  94. 2020-11-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Herb Immunity - a lot closer than they admitted
  95. 2020-11-14 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Merchant of venice - entertainment for the
  96. 2020-11-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The rise of C++
  97. 2020-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Facebook AI, China and censorship
  98. 2020-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Our Chinese Partners who we depend on for
  99. 2020-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Doing business with trators and genocidal
  100. 2020-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Vacinne or No vaccine - Biden transition
  101. 2020-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Chinese Selfidentification in the global economy
  102. 2020-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] What is a little Genocide between trading partners
  103. 2020-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] What is a little Genocide between trading
  104. 2020-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Social Pressure on Tawain is how China will treat
  105. 2020-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Snoden on your cellphone spying
  106. 2020-11-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Men's rights
  107. 2020-11-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] I am looking for a new phone and this is what I
  108. 2020-11-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] I am looking for a new phone and this is what
  109. 2020-11-16 mayer ilovitz <pmamayeri-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] list of linux compatible motherboards/vendors ?
  110. 2020-11-16 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #486 - Why do we use Perl?
  111. 2020-11-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] list of linux compatible motherboards/vendors
  112. 2020-11-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] list of linux compatible motherboards/vendors
  113. 2020-11-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] tux phones
  114. 2020-11-16 From: "S." <sman356-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fw: Carding | | PHOTO MILITARY ID REFUSED | | The
  115. 2020-11-16 From: "S." <sman356-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fw: Beware ATF Form 4473 [ FYI ]
  116. 2020-11-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fw: Carding | | PHOTO MILITARY ID REFUSED | |
  117. 2020-11-17 aviva <aviva-at-gmx.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fw: Carding | | PHOTO MILITARY ID REFUSED | |
  118. 2020-11-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Radio Show
  119. 2020-11-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Snoden on data collection
  120. 2020-11-17 NYOUG <execdir-at-nyoug.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Upcoming Events for Oracle Professionals
  121. 2020-11-17 Liz Moore <lizmoorerph-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Snoden on data collection
  122. 2020-11-17 aviva <aviva-at-gmx.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Snoden on data collection
  123. 2020-11-17 aviva <aviva-at-gmx.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Snoden on data collection
  124. 2020-11-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] SuSE going IPO
  125. 2020-11-17 From: "John Sullivan, FSF" <info-at-fsf.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Support the free software journey
  126. 2020-11-18 From: "Pat Schloss" <pdschloss-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [mothur] Code Club series and upcoming mothur and
  127. 2020-11-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] retail craziness and target
  128. 2020-11-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] tracking waves through the economy and it DOES
  129. 2020-11-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] More of the same puts our healthcare system at
  130. 2020-11-18 From: "S." <sman356-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Passport needed to enter Pennsylvania | | *** The
  131. 2020-11-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Abandoning our children
  132. 2020-11-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Virus resolution just not soon enough - but on a
  133. 2020-11-18 Rabbinical Seminary of America/Yeshiva Chofetz Chaim Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Please Join Our Sefer Torah / Dinner Campaign.
  134. 2020-11-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Vaccine development breakthroughs and high Tech
  135. 2020-11-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Vaccine drag out by Faucci
  136. 2020-11-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Elli Lilly FDA citations
  137. 2020-11-19 George Moskowitz MD <yehudazev-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fwd: A True Story of the invisible but dangerous
  138. 2020-11-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Masking Mandates
  139. 2020-11-19 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [ Docs ] Masking Mandates Part II
  140. 2020-11-19 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [ Docs ] Masking Mandates Part III
  141. 2020-11-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] previous radio show
  142. 2020-11-19 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] vaccines politics and WHO
  143. 2020-11-19 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Vaccines in History
  144. 2020-11-19 From: "Canarsie Courier" <emailsentby-at-icontactmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Inside This Week's Edition of the Canarsie Courier
  145. 2020-11-20 From: "Greg Farough, DbD" <info-at-defectivebydesign.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] FSF Giving Guide: It's the thought that counts,
  146. 2020-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] COVID-19 Test kit problems
  147. 2020-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] lockdowns killed Macy's, and with that,
  148. 2020-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] drug prices and medical economics
  149. 2020-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] vaccine cheat sheet
  150. 2020-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Ain BnB and Communist China survalience and data
  151. 2020-11-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] openshot from in artix/arch
  152. 2020-11-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] openshot from in artix/arch
  153. 2020-11-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] openshot from in artix/arch
  154. 2020-11-22 Gene Heskett <gheskett-at-shentel.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] GIMP is 25 yo
  155. 2020-11-21 Tom via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] GIMP is 25 yo
  156. 2020-11-23 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #487 - CPAN Dashboard explained
  157. 2020-11-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Immunology and COVID-19 from Ariel U - tomorrow
  158. 2020-11-23 From: =?utf-8?Q?Ludovic_Court=C3=A8s?= <ludo-at-gnu.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] GNU Guix 1.2.0 released
  159. 2020-11-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fwd: Call for Distinguished Lecturers
  160. 2020-11-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fwd: GnuPG 2.2.25 released
  161. 2020-11-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Applied Math R and Stats etc
  162. 2020-11-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] cable will screw you more this coming year
  163. 2020-11-23 From: "Ruben Rodriguez, FSF" <info-at-fsf.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Moving into the future with the FSF tech team
  164. 2020-11-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Student Loan relief, and governance by fiat..
  165. 2020-11-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] 2001 - just in case anyone missed this
  166. 2020-11-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Chinese apps continue to collect your personal
  167. 2020-11-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Chinese apps continue to collect your
  168. 2020-11-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] FWIW - Trump continues to deliver on his promises
  169. 2020-11-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The New Public Enemy Number One
  170. 2020-11-25 aviva <aviva-at-gmx.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] The New Public Enemy Number One
  171. 2020-11-26 From: "S." <sman356-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fw: Washington Times: Biden won thousands of
  172. 2020-11-26 From: "S." <sman356-at-yahoo.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions on building a linux system ?
  173. 2020-11-26 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions on building a linux system ?
  174. 2020-11-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] a small amount of COVID-19 justice
  175. 2020-11-29 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] building python-pymupdf from
  176. 2020-11-29 jc_gargma via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] generating zstd compress
  177. 2020-11-28 jc_gargma via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] generating zstd compress
  178. 2020-11-28 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] generating zstd compress
  179. 2020-11-28 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] generating zstd compress initrd
  180. 2020-11-28 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] building python-pymupdf from AUR
  181. 2020-11-29 Ruben Safir via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] building python-pymupdf from
  182. 2020-11-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The death of our freedom to travel (like it is in
  183. 2020-11-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] the real end of the free world... this is it..
  184. 2020-11-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Free Snowden now...
  185. 2020-11-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The effects of industiral shutdown on the
  186. 2020-11-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [ Docs ] the real end of the free world...
  187. 2020-11-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Dovid and Itka Safir fighting for Social justice
  188. 2020-11-29 Rabbinical Seminary of America/Yeshiva Chofetz Chaim Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Please Join Our Sefer Torah / Dinner Campaign.
  189. 2020-11-29 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] alsactl restore not
  190. 2020-11-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The Supreme Court and the Census - the REAL
  191. 2020-11-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The Voting system has fraud baked in...
  192. 2020-11-30 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #488 - Advent Calendar 2020
  193. 2020-11-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Can folks see this image?
  194. 2020-11-30 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [artix-gen] python2-pillow
  195. 2020-11-30 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] alsactl restore not
  196. 2020-11-30 Dudemanguy via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] alsactl restore not
  197. 2020-11-30 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] alsactl restore not
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  199. 2020-11-17 Joe Orton <jorton-at-apache.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [ANNOUNCE] libapreq2-2.15 Released
  200. 2020-11-17 From: "Edward J. Sabol" <edwardjsabol-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [ANNOUNCE] libapreq2-2.15 Released

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