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DATE 2021-03-16
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] A bleak year for digital freedom - rant
http://techrights.org/2020/11/17/real-rms/


techrights.org


The Real Richard Stallman is Not Coming Back

23-29 minutes
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11.17.20

Posted in Free/Libre Software ,
FSF , OSI
at 3:09 am by Guest Editorial Team

/By figosdev/

Coming down

/*Summary*: “Free Software was created to defend the freedom of every
user, not to coddle monopolies or excuse actions taken against users in
bad faith.”/

Many people have worked to end Richard Stallman’s career, and the good
news is that he will continue fighting.

While his career with the FSF has ended (he has no real authority left
there, mostly people pretending to help him and others working against
him directly), his activism continues behind the scenes, encouraging
other parties to respect the freedom of users. We know this for a fact,
and I take some comfort in it.

But while he will continue to fight, much unlike the watered down new
FSF , there are things the “Real
Richard Stallman” would do that this one will not.

Free Software was created to defend the freedom of every user, not to
coddle monopolies or excuse actions taken against users in bad faith. It
does not excuse mass surveillance, controlling users or silencing activism.

Open Source has excused and literally promoted all of these things.

And while people complained that Open Source was not promoted by
Stallman, that he refused to endorse its wishy-washy corporate entryism,
refusing corporate entryism was exactly what Free Software needed to do
to survive.

It failed.

“Open Source doesn’t love anybody, they only love when you don’t show
integrity.”Open Source does not make exceptions for its sycophants; when
you cave to Open Source, you are dealing with bait-and-switch scams and
shell games. Open Source pretends it is Free Software, while saying it
is also something else. This “something else” is an attack on users as
well as freedom. It’s much too easy to find examples of this, just say:
“OK Google, violate my privacy”.

Open Source pretends to be neutral and both Martin Luther King Jr. and
Desmond Tutu have spoken about the side that neutrality takes in
oppression, but either way it suffices that the neutrality of Open
Source is nothing more than sheep’s clothing; Open Source joined the war
on users that Microsoft declared in internal memos decades ago and they
also sought to rebrand Free Software so they could redefine and control it.

The tech press (which even ESR spoke disparagingly of with comments in
the Halloween documents) paints this as a paranoid conspiracy theory,
but even in OSI (which ESR co-founded) Microsoft has too many people in
control today, and some want to literally redefine the Open Source
Definition.

This is not a theory.

But we know this about the Real Richard Stallman. He has never supported
Open Source as an alternative to Free Software. He even said that Open
Source people “treat him like shit”.

It's comingBut as I was saying, Open Source does not make exceptions for
sycophants. Torvalds promoted Open Source and slighted Free Software for
years, pandering to corporations who don’t care about freedom. For
Torvalds, and Open Source, this is just a development methodology. He
has recited Open Source’s mantras for decades, but despite his lack of
integrity as a person overall, there is one thing they couldn’t get
Torvalds to do: make sacrifices in the way he maintained the kernel.
This is his one good point, and it is the reason he had to go.

It’s not really because Torvalds is an asshole. All the people who
control Torvalds today are assholes; they’re bigger liars and they’re
slowly destroying and co-opting the Linux kernel, just as “Linux”
co-opted GNU. If you talk to them, or even watch the way they’ve treated
Linus, you can tell that even if Torvalds is a scumbag, these people are
corporate bullies who treat Linus like shit.

Open Source doesn’t love anybody, they only love when you don’t show
integrity. No exceptions are made, not even for Linus; bow to Corporate
or GTFO.

If you matter to Open Source, it certainly doesn’t matter if you’re an
asshole. Steve Ballmer is a HUGE asshole. It never mattered. The only
“crime” of Ballmer’s that Microsoft cared about was him losing money.
This is business, they care about results, not personality. IBM thinks
we could do better in terms of a leader, but they happily and literally
worked with Hitler. Obviously the right amount of money can buy a LOT of
understanding.

Torvalds has stood year after year in the way of backdoors and other bad
moves for the kernel, so credit where credit is due. But this is why
Torvalds is not in control anymore. And that brings us to what they’ve
done to Richard Stallman.

For a while I referred per comments made on another article to Stallman
as “rms”. Today, I will do that in the past tense.

RMS was Stallman’s hacker name. Richard Stallman is, I think, when he
referred to it as his “mundane name”.

RMS is dead, but Stallman is still fighting.

We know rms is dead, because he was outspoken, did not bow to false
compromise, and never stopped fighting.

So at least one part of rms still lives on, because Stallman is still
fighting. That really is better than nothing.

But he is no longer outspoken, and we really need him to be. The things
that are happening now are just as atrocious as when they were mere
outspoken (and seemingly hyperbolic) warnings. It seemed hyperbolic to
equate SOFTWARE with human rights. And yet today we are being showered
constantly with examples of how very basic human rights (as in the
Constitution or the more globally relevant UDHR) are eroded and/or
threatened by technofascist gizmos that are too popular for George
Orwell not to rise from the dead and yell “WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK?!” Old
George is coming back, folks, any day now.

“So at least one part of rms still lives on, because Stallman is still
fighting. That really is better than nothing.”On a regular basis I find
memes that honestly and reasonably compare the destruction of riots to
the destruction of the so-called “polite society” — we live in a “polite
society” that uses torture and chemical warfare (albeit mostly “softer”
torture and “softer” chemical warfare, but either way, methods and
chemicals that are banned for being unethical and immoral) on protesters
engaged in activities which are protected by the First Amendment.

Or at least, *were* protected by the First Amendment. Now that Biden is
in, expect those rights to continue to erode, as they did with Trump.
But then we are still talking about the world here. Those who were
horrified (as was I) by the recent tear gassing and rubber bullets of
protesters and journalists ought to pay closer attention to the history
of how G7 protesters are treated even before 9/11. This sort of
corporate tyranny is nothing new (but it is definitely still getting
worse and more common).

And you have people saying that Trump’s actions regarding the pandemic
are akin to exterminating people.

While rioting is not the method of protest that I advocate (I still lean
towards being outspoken, and I think most protesters actually prefer
this to rioting) I am forced to cede that the people saying “‘polite
society’ is worse than a riot” are not at all likely mistaken. “Polite
society” is full of war crimes, engineered poverty, countless resulting
deaths, and the mass murder and endless exploitation of civilians.

But then many of the same people who defend rioting on a regular basis
are dead-set against Richard Stallman either being outspoken against
corporations engaged in mass surveillance capitalism or in favour of due
process.

I know I’m painting with a broad brush here, I know there are loads of
exceptions. But the overlap and inconsistency is still boggling.

Anyway, the methods used to put a leash on Torvalds and Assange and the
methods used to put one on Stallman are too similar to ignore. It hasn’t
stopped there either, because political correctness is now being wielded
as a way to yoke all developers of mainstream software (whether
mainstream and non-free, or mainstream and under a free license) into
indentured servants of projects that have been taken over by corporate
donors who then force even original authors Linus and Guido to do things
the way the monopoly wanted, or get out.

I note with great sadness that Guido showed less integrity than Linus in
this regard. It’s real sadness as although I don’t love the Linux kernel
anymore, I do love Python. (And PyPy more than Python, but it is still
an implementation of the Python language). Guido is a talented developer
and it’s very sad to watch him not only sell out, but sell every user out.

As I have said many times, I do not think Stallman has sold out. I think
he was sold out by others. GNOME Guix (working together with Deb Icaza
among many others) are some of the biggest traitors, but so is ESR who
still has the audacity to claim to be Stallman’s “friend”.

“If you make a list of the 20 worst things about Open Source you can
think of (from a Free Software point of view) you can use that as a
watchlist for what’s happening to Free Software itself.”Eric, real
friends don’t stab people in the back the way you did. Perens knows it,
and anybody who knows what happened knows that. You’re a shameless
opportunist living in the shadow of a great man, who you created a name
around your jealousy of for years and years, you’re NOT a “friend”. You
are far closer to being the Cain to his Abel; a person who would slay
his own brother simply for being favoured.

And all of what you call “Open Source” is made in your image, much like
which president after you sold OSI directly to Microsoft?

Even ESR was ultimately ousted, the same way they did to Torvalds. And
while I undoubtedly sympathise more with ESR than with the people who
ousted him, it is (clearly) not very much; it’s the principle of the
thing. Whatever I may think of him, the way he was ousted was wrong and
ultimately bad for all of us. As with Linus and his owner Jim, the
lesser of two evils was screwed over by the greater.

My beef with Open Source was not created by Richard Stallman, it was
created by Open Source itself. I originally, and foolishly, bought into
its vapid rhetoric years ago. “We are like Free Software but more
reasonable,” they said. They have a facade of being friendly, inviting,
helpful, and above all Laid Back. The GPL is like slavery, Free Software
is hateful, we are nice people who don’t care what you do. Stop choosing
software based on licenses and just use what works for you!

What a bunch of crap. Open Source acts like Free Software is full of
sacred cows (and a couple of those really are annoying) but to Open
Source, every monopolistic corporation that participates in the smallest
way is a sacred cow. Yet users are not. These sacred corporations can
literally murder people, but Open Source advocates who catch you
criticising actual human rights violations will smear you personally,
and act like the Microsoft logo is a thing you can be “bigoted” against.

Open Source is one of the biggest, stupidest lies in the world. It’s not
laid back, it’s not friendly, it’s not fair (it assassinates anyone
whose integrity gets in its way) and it just sells Free Software out to
Microsoft.

As I’ve said in other articles, I made my way into — then out of — a
cult as a teenager. I know how they get people who are longing for
community, I know how they gradually (and abusively) nudge people into
doing their bidding, I know how they try to keep people from leaving,
even when anybody is allowed to leave.

As I realised that Open Source had the same levels of bullshit and the
same two-faced reality once you supported them, and that Open Source
really does indoctrinate and use people, I grew disgusted with their
attacks on freedom and their constant lying and apologies for companies
that act in bad faith.

It would only be a service to cults to refer to things that aren’t
really like them as cults, but I know one when I see one. You may find
only the disguise at first, but when the lying never stops and the
double standard keep piling up, you know it’s bullshit.

If you make a list of the 20 worst things about Open Source you can
think of (from a Free Software point of view) you can use that as a
watchlist for what’s happening to Free Software itself. And “rms” would
be (and once was) outspoken about those things. I’m very sorry that rms
is no longer with us. But I believe Richard Stallman is sincerely doing
his possible best, and also that it is more than most people would do in
your situation. Most people, including myself, would have given up a lot
sooner.

“Until he was hanged, rms was a public advocate of freedom. Now the real
fight and the real advocacy is done quietly, safely.”Richard Stallman
should not be less outspoken, he should be more outspoken now than ever
before.

But he won’t be, and this is why–

People are human.

You can’t always get a human to part with their values. That’s a
strength (yes, in some instances it is a shame). I do not think that
Richard Stallman has sacrificed his values. Nor do I think he has
stopped trying. That’s to his credit. As I said, most of us would have
given up after the 20+ years of abuse and slander he’s withstood. I’m
not saying he’s perfect, fuck knows he’s loaded with faults as we all
are. But he is undoubtedly a good person, and the hate of many (with the
added weight of the corporate sycophant tech press even ESR used to
condemn) is strong.

A lot of people in Stallman’s situation would act like more of a martyr.
While Stallman acknowledges and is (of course) unhappy about the abuse
he has received, the vast majority of time is spent fighting and (until
recently) advocating.

Until he was hanged, rms was a public advocate of freedom. Now the real
fight and the real advocacy is done quietly, safely. I’ve made it clear
that in his situation, I don’t think most of us could do better, not
after fighting openly and withstanding regular slander for as long as he
has.

He’s got a right to be tired and he said that he would fight as long as
he lives, and he’s still keeping that promise.

But there will be no more substantial advocacy (public advocacy at
least) from Richard Stallman, because that outspokenness died when rms did.

Free Software advocates are under literal surveillance, not just from
the NSA and GCHQ, but from Microsoft. Not only this, but 20 years ago
Microsoft (read the Halloween documents) said they wanted to closely
monitor Free Software developers and poach the best ones for themselves.

Now they’ve got Guido, I don’t know if Miguel de Icaza really counts as
“the best”, but remember we are talking about Microsoft standards of
quality here.

Of course you can cause a lot more trouble with mass surveillance than
just poaching the best developers. The point is, rms the Real Richard
Stallman would never be quiet or accept false compromise around
Microsoft GitHub. He was openly against GitHub even before it was owned
by Microsoft, and for much smaller reasons.

RMS has shown more accurate foresight than nearly any other technologist
when it comes to freedom and civil liberties, but he is not without a
few blind spots. I think one of them is that he squandered an
opportunity to consider the full implications of what Lawrence Lessig
proposed to the FSF board when he was there. To me that was always the
FSF’s greatest drawback.

“RMS has shown more accurate foresight than nearly any other
technologist when it comes to freedom and civil liberties, but he is not
without a few blind spots.”While Oliva says that copyright has “nothing
to do with free software”, I said the DMCA was a perfect example of how
wrong that is and this was before Joe “RIAA” Biden came back into
politics, ensuring that the next few years will not just try to fuck us
harder with patents (THANKS GNOME! Assholes…) but that copyright will be
standing beside patents and waiting for another turn.

For people not directly taxed by the DMCA, international trade
agreements like CAFTA, NAFTA, ACTA (failed) and TPP/TTIP (failed) along
with the “EEE-Eww…” have worked to establish a global system of
censorship and corporate theft that makes WIPO look like Elmo’s World.

But copyright has nothing to do with Free Software. If that’s true, then
neither do patents. .oO Que porra é essa?

Rather I think that Free Culture advocates actually know more about
copyright than Stallman and Oliva combined (and even that is plenty more
than nothing, I’m sure) and Free Software is weaker against copyright
threats because of this.

Free Culture advocates, in turn, are often weak on Free Software.
Stallman noticed this and it’s plain to see. But I have long noticed
that Free Software advocates who support Free Culture are often stronger
Stallman supporters and stronger Free Software supporters compared to
the average, at least. They tend to be more informed and are often more
passionate. This is what Free Software has squandered, because there are
more people who care about the right to remix than the right to control
their software, and they are ultimately twin rights (even if most Free
Software advocates and Free Culture advocates haven’t noticed).

Stallman also truly underestimated Microsoft. Somewhere along the line,
his necessary tools for converting software into Free Software became
the hammer to every corporate nail, and Microsoft has often been treated
as “just another nail” to be hammered with the GPL if possible. This is
tragic, and its shortsightedness has led to the FSF’s downfall. Never
giving up is one thing, but Free Software has wrapped itself in a warm
blanket of hubris while the fortress comes down.

Today, Richard Stallman promotes software attainable only by dealing
with the corporate surveillance put in place by Microsoft. His address
to LibrePlanet was a watered down appeal to promote EXACTLY what the FSF
has focused on of late — tools like Jami and BigBlueButton, both of
which are controlled by Microsoft. One person said the video was
“scripted” which I find too horrible and un-Stallman-like to
contemplate. Though I don’t deny it sounds more like a script than the
man himself. As holographic Whitney Houston told fans about “some of the
songs ‘I did’” following her death, that video seems to betray an
outside interest. Of course the differences between the new FSF and the
old are sometimes subtle, even slightly plausible.

“You build GNU IceCat, Jami or BigBlueButton, Microsoft’s stocks go up
and then they fight even harder against your freedom with patents and
surveillance.”If GNOME has taken the fall for patents, then the FSF has
taken the fall for GitHub, and some might say that Free Software has
little choice if all the real alternatives to Zoom and Teams are
developed on Github, what is the FSF supposed to do?

For starters, they could point out how incredibly bleak it is that ALL
ALTERNATIVES involve dealing with the same company that pushes (and
builds continuing revenue from) the same software patents that harm Free
Software.

You build GNU IceCat, Jami or BigBlueButton, Microsoft’s stocks go up
and then they fight even harder against your freedom with patents and
surveillance. Not to mention that they continue to use GitHub to co-opt
and steer key projects like Python.

RMS would never, ever stand for this. But Richard Stallman does.

I can’t be any clearer that I understand why he would at his age and at
this level of concerted and corporate effort to betray him and his
supporters decide to choose his battles.

You could even argue that he has always warned us about relying on the
“Cloud” (which is what GitHub is one of the more horrific examples of
very easily the most horrific for Free Software development) and
specifically about GitHub, so why would he need to lead a campaign
against the more recent and more horrible effects of doing so?

Instead, I argue that rms is gone. But I also said that he isn’t coming
back. And here is why…

Stallman is an old man. He is still fighting, and that’s inspiring. He
has fought for his entire career, which is inspiring as well. The fact
that Free Software exists at all, we owe to this man and (obviously)
many others, everybody knows that. Nobody has ever fought as much for
Free Software as Stallman; not ESR, certainly not Linus, not Perens,
Lessig, de Raadt, Eich, Guido, Roio, not even Oliva (who wouldn’t deny
this is true for a moment). Though I deeply admire the practically
absurd lengths that Lessig has gone to (along with his friend, Aaron
Swartz) in the name of freedom.

Old men do generally soften as fighters. The exceptions are few, and I
still think this has more to do with machinations than age because
that’s where the actual evidence points. But age is most certainly a
factor. We are up against time itself, as Stallman is mortal.

But whether it is due to his fight getting softer, or being stifled or
both, this trend is only going to continue.

And if we do not lend our support to this cause, and be the outspoken
advocates against the destruction and co-opting of free software that
rms was, then it will not make rms fight much harder. I am confident he
is fighting as hard as he can right now and that is not the mark of a
sellout.

Obviously the best way to honour the (continuing) legacy of rms is to
join Richard Stallman in fighting for the freedom of all users, not just
the freedom granted by a Free Software license alone, but the freedom
granted by a Free Software license with people defending everything that
license stands for.

“The FSF tells him to promote GitHub, and he does. They give him a
platform, as long he says exactly what they’re saying already.”That’s
exactly what the FSF has abandoned, and why the FSF is no longer
fighting for anyone. They aren’t fighting for users anymore, they are
(not unlike Creative Commons, which always had this problem to a
saddening degree) only fighting for the use of certain licenses. Any way
you can work around the license to limit the ability for users to have
control of their computing — the FSF will do VERY little to stop you, or
even condemn what you’re doing. They will even promote you!

Essentially, if we do not pick up the fight that rms fought during his
lifetime, then Stallman will not be able to either.

But if we do pick up that fight, as we certainly ought to, then Stallman
will not need to. At this point in the game, he will let us do that part
for him.

Unless someone has plans to make him immortal, now is as good a time as
any to pick up where rms left off.

As for Richard Stallman, he is still an ally, he has not sold out (at
least I am 99% certain he hasn’t) but he does not fight like he used to.
He chooses his battles, and very key problems are not fought anymore.

The FSF tells him to promote GitHub, and he does. They give him a
platform, as long he says exactly what they’re saying already.

That’s not rms. It’s just what’s left of Richard Stallman.

But make no mistake he may have been forced out of full time public
activism to being something a little closer to being a politician…

(I’m sorry, having watched the video that’s what I must conclude).

He is still on our side. He INVENTED our side. And the more you learn
about the layers and layers of the history of computing from the time
Stallman became active onwards, the more evidence you find that this is
even understated by his supporters. Because until they do extensive
research, even many of them don’t know just how true it is.

That honour isn’t going anywhere. Recognition is often fickle, awards
are frequently given to the wrong individuals, but honour is immortal.

“Recognition is often fickle, awards are frequently given to the wrong
individuals, but honour is immortal.”Richard Stallman was and still is
one of the great minds and great human beings of the 20^th and 21^st
centuries.

But “rms” will be missed, much more sorely if we do not take up his
mantle. We know Stallman Was Right, but the battles that need to be
fought continue to present themselves. If we do not meet those
challenges with the passion and integrity that the FSF has put aside
forever, we will lose. Open Source may have “won” for the time being,
though users are still becoming less free for such a cynical corporate
victory.

Open Source “wins” by taking whatever side looks like it’s winning. It’s
what allows people like Bryan Lunduke to smirk and slander rms, then go
work for Purism and have a friendly interview with Stallman, then later
start attacking Free Software (using all of Open Source’s time-tested
bullshit) again.

Free Software wins differently, by staying vigilant about what we are
actually fighting for, and making sure all of its reasonable compromises
are reasonable and not simply giving in to a hostile corporate takeover
of what is supposed to be activism.

Long live rms, long live Richard Stallman and happy hacking. █

--
So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
http://www.mrbrklyn.com
DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002

http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
http://www.brooklyn-living.com

Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps,
but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013

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  1. 2021-03-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] voting rights
  2. 2021-03-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Crushing Political Freedom in Hong Kong and China
  3. 2021-03-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Chinese tackets from the Democrats
  4. 2021-03-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Catastophic destruction of urban economy from
  5. 2021-03-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] J&J Vaccine is far less effetive that other
  6. 2021-03-01 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #501 - Perl and Quality
  7. 2021-03-01 From: "Free Software Foundation" <info-at-fsf.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Free Software Supporter Issue 155, March 2021
  8. 2021-03-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] NYS Vaccine Tracking Application
  9. 2021-03-03 From: "[RSS/Feed] nixCraft: Linux Tips, Hacks, Tutorials, Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] nixCraft Linux / UNIX Newsletter
  10. 2021-03-04 From: "Speaker Corey Johnson" <SpeakerJohnson-at-council.nyc.ny.us> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] =?utf-8?b?8J+TjCBDT1ZJRC0xOSBVcGRhdGVzLCBSZWlt?=
  11. 2021-03-04 From: "Canarsie Courier" <emailsentby-at-icontactmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Inside This Week's Edition of the Canarsie Courier
  12. 2021-03-06 Edgar Hagenbichler <edgar.hagenbichler-at-hagenbichler.at> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] online seminar GNU Health: Building the
  13. 2021-03-07 Javier <je-vv-at-e.email> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [universe] Adding universe
  14. 2021-03-07 Chris Cromer <cromer-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [universe] Adding universe
  15. 2021-03-07 Chris Cromer <cromer-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [universe] Adding universe
  16. 2021-03-07 Chris Cromer <cromer-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [universe] Adding universe
  17. 2021-03-07 Javier <je-vv-at-e.email> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [universe] Adding universe
  18. 2021-03-07 Javier <je-vv-at-e.email> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [universe] Adding universe repo
  19. 2021-03-07 Chris Cromer <cromer-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [universe] Adding universe
  20. 2021-03-07 Javier <je-vv-at-e.email> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [universe] Adding universe
  21. 2021-03-07 Chris Cromer <cromer-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [universe] Adding universe
  22. 2021-03-07 Javier <je-vv-at-e.email> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [universe] Adding universe
  23. 2021-03-07 Chris Cromer <cromer-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [universe] Adding universe
  24. 2021-03-07 Javier <je-vv-at-e.email> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [universe] Adding universe repo
  25. 2021-03-05 Gloria Lassich via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] gimp-user-list Digest, Vol 114,
  26. 2021-03-05 Gloria Lassich via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Can't get GMIC to work on Mac
  27. 2021-03-03 Sis 3 via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] adding overlays to Gimp program
  28. 2021-03-04 Liam R E Quin <liam-at-holoweb.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] adding overlays to Gimp program
  29. 2021-03-08 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #502 - Date with Corinna
  30. 2021-03-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Just a reminder that we could have had a REAL
  31. 2021-03-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Please develop Javascript replacement extensions
  32. 2021-03-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Please develop Javascript replacement extensions
  33. 2021-03-10 From: =?utf-8?Q?Zo=C3=AB_Kooyman=2C_FSF?= <info-at-fsf.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Virtual LibrePlanet is full of space to explore!
  34. 2021-03-11 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fwd: [users-at-httpd] Call for Presentations for
  35. 2021-03-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] George will love this ~~~
  36. 2021-03-11 From: "[RSS/Feed] nixCraft: Linux Tips, Hacks, Tutorials, Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] nixCraft Linux / UNIX Newsletter
  37. 2021-03-12 Miss Belmar Princess <missbelmar-at-aol.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] WE'RE SAILING IN ONE WEEK!
  38. 2021-03-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Strange History Lesson from 1916
  39. 2021-03-15 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #503 - Perl Community?
  40. 2021-03-07 From: "Canarsie Courier" <updates-at-canarsiecourier.net> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Let Everyone Know That You Are Open For Business
  41. 2021-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The new picutre of a free and open democracy
  42. 2021-03-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] A bleak year for digital freedom - rant
  43. 2021-03-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] =?utf-8?q?Opinion_=7C_I_Won=E2=80=99t_Be_Silen?=
  44. 2021-03-15 Edgar Hagenbichler <edgar.hagenbichler-at-hagenbichler.at> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] online seminar GNU Health:
  45. 2021-03-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Biden Wins!
  46. 2021-03-18 Steve Hay <steve.m.hay-at-googlemail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl
  47. 2021-03-18 Fred Moyer <fred-at-redhotpenguin.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl
  48. 2021-03-18 From: "Kevin A. McGrail" <kmcgrail-at-pccc.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [External] Re: [DISCUSS] The future of
  49. 2021-03-18 Jim Albert <jim-at-netrition.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl
  50. 2021-03-18 Adam Prime <adam.prime-at-utoronto.ca> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl
  51. 2021-03-17 Fred Moyer <fred-at-redhotpenguin.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl
  52. 2021-03-18 Jim Albert <jim-at-netrition.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] mod_perl alternatives
  53. 2021-03-17 Jim Albert <jim-at-netrition.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl
  54. 2021-03-17 Adam Prime <adam.prime-at-utoronto.ca> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl
  55. 2021-03-17 Steve Hay <steve.m.hay-at-googlemail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl
  56. 2021-03-17 Jim Albert <jim-at-netrition.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl
  57. 2021-03-17 Adam Prime <adam.prime-at-utoronto.ca> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl
  58. 2021-03-17 From: "Edward J. Sabol" <edwardjsabol-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl
  59. 2021-03-17 Adam Prime <adam.prime-at-utoronto.ca> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl
  60. 2021-03-15 From: "Kaiser, Matthew" <MKaiser-at-midwestern.edu> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] substr Not Working
  61. 2021-03-15 From: "Kaiser, Matthew" <MKaiser-at-midwestern.edu> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] substr Not Working
  62. 2021-03-15 From: "Rubinstein, James" <JRUBIN-at-midwestern.edu> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] substr Not Working
  63. 2021-03-09 Russell Lundberg <lundberg.russell-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] New Windows mod_perl2/libapreq2 build
  64. 2021-03-05 Steve Hay <steve.m.hay-at-googlemail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] New Windows mod_perl2/libapreq2 build available
  65. 2021-03-09 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Warnier_=28tomcat/perl=29?= <aw-at-ice-sa.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] New Windows mod_perl2/libapreq2 build
  66. 2021-03-16 From: "Kaiser, Matthew" <MKaiser-at-midwestern.edu> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] substr no longer works in [+ tags +]?
  67. 2021-03-17 Sander Striker <striker-at-apache.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl
  68. 2021-03-15 From: "Kaiser, Matthew" <MKaiser-at-midwestern.edu> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] substr no longer works in [+ tags +]?
  69. 2021-03-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] What would a mod_perl EOL look like?
  70. 2021-03-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl
  71. 2021-03-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl
  72. 2021-03-18 Jim Albert <jim-at-netrition.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] What would a mod_perl EOL look like?
  73. 2021-03-18 James Smith <js5-at-sanger.ac.uk> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] mod_perl alternatives [EXT]
  74. 2021-03-18 Perrin Harkins <pharkins-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] mod_perl alternatives
  75. 2021-03-18 From: "Kaiser, Matthew" <MKaiser-at-midwestern.edu> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] substr no longer works in [+ tags +]?
  76. 2021-03-18 Michel Jansen <mailmaster-at-web-ict.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] What would a mod_perl EOL look like?
  77. 2021-03-18 Jim Albert <jim-at-netrition.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] What would a mod_perl EOL look like?
  78. 2021-03-18 adam.prime-at-utoronto.ca Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] What would a mod_perl EOL look like?
  79. 2021-03-17 Ka Exn via ekiga-list <ekiga-list-at-gnome.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Ekiga-list] Ekiga vs Ms Teams?
  80. 2021-03-18 Guy Stalnaker via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Features
  81. 2021-03-18 WOODY QUINN via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Features
  82. 2021-03-17 Michael Mol via ekiga-list <ekiga-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Ekiga-list] Ekiga vs Ms Teams?
  83. 2021-03-18 Jim Albert <jim-at-netrition.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] What would a mod_perl EOL look like?
  84. 2021-03-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] What would a mod_perl EOL look like?
  85. 2021-03-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Pharmacy Express Rutland Rd
  86. 2021-03-18 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fwd: $1400 of coding knowledge by Zenva,
  87. 2021-03-12 Kian Kasad <kian-at-kasad.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] autofs new config way?
  88. 2021-03-13 Javier <je-vv-at-e.email> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] autofs new config way?
  89. 2021-03-12 Javier <je-vv-at-e.email> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] autofs new config way?
  90. 2021-03-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Coin Collecting in Jerusalem
  91. 2021-03-20 From: "[RSS/Feed] nixCraft: Linux Tips, Hacks, Tutorials, Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] nixCraft Linux / UNIX Newsletter
  92. 2021-03-21 The Hebron Fund <info-at-hebronfund.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Reminder: Put Food on the Seder Table for Those
  93. 2021-03-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [ Docs ] Doc's Birthday Bash
  94. 2021-03-24 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fwd: Thank you
  95. 2021-03-24 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Thank you
  96. 2021-03-24 From: "Pat Schloss" <pschloss-at-umich.edu> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [mothur] mothur v.1.45.0
  97. 2021-03-25 Edgar Hagenbichler <edgar.hagenbichler-at-hagenbichler.at> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] WebDAV#Configuring_the_client at
  98. 2021-03-25 The Hebron Fund <info-at-hebronfund.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Passover in Hebron, Parshat Tzav, and More...
  99. 2021-03-25 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Hangout of NYLXS] Chag Simeach - Happy
  100. 2021-03-29 Luis Falcon <falcon-at-gnuhealth.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] WebDAV#Configuring_the_client at
  101. 2021-03-28 Mostafa Ahangarha <ahangarha-at-riseup.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] online seminar GNU Health:
  102. 2021-03-29 Luis Falcon <falcon-at-gnuhealth.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] WebDAV#Configuring_the_client at
  103. 2021-03-29 Axel Braun <axel.braun-at-gmx.de> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] WebDAV#Configuring_the_client at
  104. 2021-03-29 Axel Braun <axel.braun-at-gmx.de> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] online seminar GNU Health:
  105. 2021-03-29 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #505 - Pair programming
  106. 2021-03-29 Luis Falcon <falcon-at-gnuhealth.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] WebDAV#Configuring_the_client at
  107. 2021-03-23 John Dunlap <John-at-lariat.co> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl
  108. 2021-03-25 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Warnier_=28tomcat/perl=29?= <aw-at-ice-sa.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl
  109. 2021-03-22 jorton-at-apache.org Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [ANNOUNCE] libapreq2-2.16 Released
  110. 2021-03-23 Chris <cpb_mod_perl-at-bennettconstruction.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl
  111. 2021-03-29 ryan lague via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] (no subject)
  112. 2021-03-29 Marco Ciampa via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] (no subject)
  113. 2021-03-28 Alexandre Prokoudine via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Add traditional Linux Builds
  114. 2021-03-28 Bill Rich via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Add traditional Linux Builds
  115. 2021-03-26 Liam R E Quin <liam-at-holoweb.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Change background colour with
  116. 2021-03-26 Liam R E Quin <liam-at-holoweb.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Change background colour with
  117. 2021-03-26 Tom via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Change background colour with
  118. 2021-03-26 From: =?utf-8?q?Zolt=C3=A1n_Kluik_via_gimp-user-list?= Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Change background colour with
  119. 2021-03-26 From: =?utf-8?q?Zolt=C3=A1n_Kluik_via_gimp-user-list?= Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Change background colour with
  120. 2021-03-26 Paula Koval via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Mixing type fonts or sizes on the
  121. 2021-03-25 Liam R E Quin <liam-at-holoweb.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Change background colour with
  122. 2021-03-25 Tom via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Change background colour with
  123. 2021-03-25 Liam R E Quin <liam-at-holoweb.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Change background colour with
  124. 2021-03-25 From: =?utf-8?q?Zolt=C3=A1n_Kluik_via_gimp-user-list?= Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Change background colour with
  125. 2021-03-25 Liam R E Quin <liam-at-holoweb.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Change background colour with
  126. 2021-03-25 From: =?utf-8?q?Zolt=C3=A1n_Kluik_via_gimp-user-list?= Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Change background colour with
  127. 2021-03-23 Jay Smith <jay-at-JaySmith.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Change background colour with
  128. 2021-03-26 From: =?utf-8?q?Zolt=C3=A1n_Kluik_via_gimp-user-list?= Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Change background colour with
  129. 2021-03-23 From: =?utf-8?q?Zolt=C3=A1n_Kluik_via_gimp-user-list?= Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Change background colour with
  130. 2021-03-23 From: =?utf-8?q?Zolt=C3=A1n_Kluik_via_gimp-user-list?= Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Change background colour with GIMP
  131. 2021-03-30 Mostafa Ahangarha <ahangarha-at-riseup.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] online seminar GNU Health:
  132. 2021-03-30 Luis Falcon <falcon-at-gnuhealth.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] WebDAV#Configuring_the_client at
  133. 2021-03-30 Edgar Hagenbichler <edgar.hagenbichler-at-hagenbichler.at> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] WebDAV#Configuring_the_client at
  134. 2021-03-30 Luis Falcon <falcon-at-gnuhealth.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] online seminar GNU Health:
  135. 2021-03-30 ronald munjoma <simbiso-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] online seminar GNU Health:
  136. 2021-03-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] FSF has gone off the rail
  137. 2021-03-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Privacy Wars heat up
  138. 2021-03-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] deadly subjects
  139. 2021-03-31 From: "PSSNY" <staff-at-pssny.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] URGENT! Call Your Lawmakers NOW to Oppose Delay
  140. 2021-03-31 facebook <facebook-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] the new book burning
  141. 2021-03-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Vaccination Passport craziness
  142. 2021-03-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [ Docs ] Vaccination Passport craziness
  143. 2021-03-30 Liam R E Quin <liam-at-holoweb.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] (no subject)
  144. 2021-03-30 ryan lague via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] (no subject)
  145. 2021-03-30 Ofnuts via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] (no subject)
  146. 2021-03-30 Ofnuts via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Mixing type fonts or sizes on the
  147. 2021-03-25 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Warnier_=28tomcat/perl=29?= <aw-at-ice-sa.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl
  148. 2021-03-22 jorton-at-apache.org Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [ANNOUNCE] libapreq2-2.16 Released
  149. 2021-03-23 Chris <cpb_mod_perl-at-bennettconstruction.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl
  150. 2021-03-19 Gazzali Jaleel <bac2bac-at-bac2bac.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Moving ExecCGI to mod_perl - performance and
  151. 2021-03-20 Philippe Chiasson <gozer-at-ectoplasm.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl
  152. 2021-03-23 John Dunlap <John-at-lariat.co> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl
  153. 2021-03-18 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Ned=C5=BEad_Hrnjica?= <nedzad-at-nedzadhrnjica.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl
  154. 2021-03-19 Matthias Schmitt <matthias.schmitt-at-mmp.lu> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl
  155. 2021-03-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] What would a mod_perl EOL look like?
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