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| DATE | 2026-04-26 |
| FROM | Ruben Safir
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| SUBJECT | Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fwd: El Al ref - 2026 - 6072976 - LY007/04Mar26
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Dear Ruben,
Thank you for your further feedback.
I respectfully advise that I have explained prioritization of recovery flights in my previous email. The issues that you raise have been taken seriously and reviewed by our v.p customer & service.
Your feedback regarding the handling of passengers and seat availability has been noted and is appreciated.
If you require any further assistance, please contact us and briefly explain your requests and what you are expecting from El Al.
Thanking you.
Yours sincerely,
Caroline Low
Supervisor - Customer Relations
EL-AL ISRAEL AIRLINES LTD
I appreciate the return of the money, but I also understand that the communication breakdown was not right and __dangerous__, and that my seat was sold under me, either for needed revenue, or because your staff just allowed people to whine their way onto planes while passengers who behaved within the norms of decency got screwed. "The squeeky wheel gets the grease", as they say in English. I'm sure of this. And it is not good enough. It happens at El Al for everything. Chassidim with 5 hat boxes, one fellow brought six luandered shirts, and 4 paired of pressed pants onto the plane to avoid a suitcase? Then he undressed on touch down from gym clothes to a suite and tie IN THE AISLE. ETC ETC ETC. Its an Israeli national character but an airline needs to rise above that.
And then there is this, which is not surprising at all...
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Heavy restrictions on flights in and out of Israel during the war voided the plans of tens of thousands of people who had purchased tickets to fly to or from Israel for Passover, spring break or any other reason.
Under Israel’s Aviation Services Law, customers whose flights are canceled are entitled to choose between a monetary refund of the full ticket price and a rebooking on a flight to their final destination under similar terms, at the earliest possible date and subject to seat availability.
But as they scrambled to find alternative ways in or out of Israel, many of those holding tickets for canceled flights on Israeli airlines said they were offered only a refund, with no opportunity to rebook, alleging that the seats airlines should have been required to reserve for them were instead sold off for significantly higher sums.
At the same time, customers who were offered the opportunity to rebook said the airlines’ unresponsive or nonexistent customer service made it nearly impossible to do so, even as the carriers managed to continue efficiently selling new tickets at prices massively inflated by the extremely limited supply.
“What to me seems really wrong is that they clearly were selling a few available seats for more money underneath the feet of people whose flights were canceled,” said Devora Goldstein, who, like other Arkia customers, received an apologetic notification stating that the airline was doing its best to assist, and a notice that she would be getting a refund within 14 business days. UNQUOTE
You at least honored my ticket home, but weeks later than it should had been. I am sure of this.
And BTW - your customer service email is not to be found on your website. I had to use search engines to find it until I finally found it on a customer advocacy website.
Ruben Israel Safir RPh
On 4/20/26 7:43 AM, A message from EL AL Customer Relations wrote: > Dear Mr. Safir, > > Thank you for taking your time to contact El Al management, in order to > relay your appreciation to our airline but at the same time to inform us > of your dissatisfaction with the service that you recently experienced. > > We sincerely apologize for the inconvenience you encountered when trying > to communicate with El Al during Operation /Roaring Lion./ > > Please note that our staff were required to perform their duties under > exceptionally challenging circumstances due to the war. > > Our main communication was through whatsapp and I am sorry that this was > not convenient for you. Our staff worked 24 hours a day to answer > passengers whatsapps. > > I assure you that your feedback has been taken seriously and reviewed by > our v.p customer & service > > > > We pray that such a situation will not reoccur in order that we can > continue to give our valued passengers the best service as they deserve. > > We are pleased to confirm that USD175 for the seat that you purchased at > the airport will be refunded to the credit card used within 10-14 days. > > I would like to add that the assignment of the earliest available > flights was based on several factors, including regulations set forth by > the Israeli Ministry of Transport. Priority was given to humanitarian > cases and other urgent circumstances, among additional considerations, > such as related medical and bereavement, seniors, customer who are needs > of special assistance, medical and Active-duty soldiers. > > Due to the limited number of seats permitted on each flight, seats were > allocated as quickly as possible, and flights filled up rapidly. > > Please note, due to the constantly changing situation, it was sometimes > necessary to modify flight assignments, sometimes more than once, to > comply with evolving requirements and to prioritize safety and urgent needs. > > As an Israeli airline, we are committed to adhering to the safety > regulations and statutes mandated by the Israeli Ministry of > Transportation. Our foremost priority was to transport you and other > passengers’ destination safely while following all applicable guidelines. > > I hope that you will be able to overlook your disappointing experience > and allow us the opportunity to serve you again so that we may restore > your confidence in El Al. > > > > Yours sincerely, > > *Caroline Low* > > *Supervisor - Customer Relations* > > *_EL-AL ISRAEL AIRLINES LTD_* >
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