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I think that I should take the blame for all the confusion here. I think I
was under a mistaken impression about what New Yorkers for Fair Use had as
a mission, and I was ignorant as to its structure. That caused some
serious confusion.

Please accept my apology.

You are still welcome to write an amicus, if you want to. But the one that
was being donated has been donated to another organization. That was based
on my apparent misunderstanding that Mr. Safir was actually in charge. And
when he stated that he didn't have time for this, I expressed respect for
that and we moved on to another organization that seems very interested in
moving forward.

I think there has been no great loss here. The consensus seems to be that
the donated amicus brief was unacceptable from your group's perspective,
and needed a complete re-write if it were to be submitted.

I guess though that "no great loss" does not take into account the fact
that I caused you all to waste time. I am sorry for that, and if in the
future something comes up where I can make it up to you, do not hesitate to
ask.

At this point however, I do not think further debate about either
submitting an amicus, nor its content, should be shared with me. and
probably not Attorney Coleman.

But consider me available if you ever need anything. Have a great day.

On Fri, May 8, 2026 at 5:42=E2=80=AFAM Ruben Safir wro=
te:

> On 5/8/26 5:10 AM, Aviva wrote:
> > This could be stronger. It can use some case law attributions. Why wa=
s
> > this not submited?
>
>
> I am not in charge
>
>
> --
> So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
> that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
> proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
> http://www.mrbrklyn.com
> DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
>
> http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
> http://www.brooklyn-living.com
>
> Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps,
> but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013
>
>

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I think that I should take the blame for all the confusion here. I think I
was under a mistaken impression about what New Yorkers for Fair Use had as
a mission, and I was ignorant as to its structure. That caused some
serious confusion.

Please accept my apology.

You are still welcome to write an amicus, if you want to. But the one that
was being donated has been donated to another organization. That was based
on my apparent misunderstanding that Mr. Safir was actually in charge. And
when he stated that he didn't have time for this, I expressed respect for
that and we moved on to another organization that seems very interested in
moving forward.

I think there has been no great loss here. The consensus seems to be that
the donated amicus brief was unacceptable from your group's perspective,
and needed a complete re-write if it were to be submitted.

I guess though that "no great loss" does not take into account the fact
that I caused you all to waste time. I am sorry for that, and if in the
future something comes up where I can make it up to you, do not hesitate to
ask.

At this point however, I do not think further debate about either
submitting an amicus, nor its content, should be shared with me. and
probably not Attorney Coleman.

But consider me available if you ever need anything. Have a great day.

On Fri, May 8, 2026 at 5:42=E2=80=AFAM Ruben Safir wro=
te:

> On 5/8/26 5:10 AM, Aviva wrote:
> > This could be stronger. It can use some case law attributions. Why wa=
s
> > this not submited?
>
>
> I am not in charge
>
>
> --
> So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
> that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
> proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
> http://www.mrbrklyn.com
> DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
>
> http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
> http://www.brooklyn-living.com
>
> Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps,
> but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013
>
>

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here.=C2=A0 I think I was under a mistaken impression about what New Yorke=
rs for Fair Use had as a mission, and I was ignorant as to its structure.=
=C2=A0 That caused some serious confusion.=C2=A0=C2=A0

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lease accept my apology.=C2=A0=C2=A0

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welcome to write an amicus, if you want to.=C2=A0 But the one that was bei=
ng donated has been donated to another organization.=C2=A0 That was based o=
n my apparent misunderstanding that Mr. Safir was actually in charge.=C2=A0=
And when he stated that he didn't have time for this, I expressed resp=
ect for that and we moved on to another organization that seems very intere=
sted in moving forward.=C2=A0

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en no great loss here.=C2=A0 The consensus seems to be that the donated ami=
cus brief was unacceptable from your group's perspective, and needed a =
complete re-write if it were to be submitted.=C2=A0

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the fact that I caused you all to waste time.=C2=A0 I am sorry for that, an=
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hesitate to ask.=C2=A0=C2=A0

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r, I do not think further debate about either submitting an amicus, nor its=
content, should be shared with me.=C2=A0 and probably not Attorney Coleman=
.=C2=A0=C2=A0

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r need anything.=C2=A0 Have a great day.=C2=A0=C2=A0

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=C2=A0 Why was

> this not submited?





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