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DATE 2006-12-11
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Lebonese Wisdom
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http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=5&article_id=77515


But if that's Baker's and Hamilton's gambit, it does not square with
this passage in the report: "Iraq is vital to regional and even global
stability, and is critical to US interests. It runs along the sectarian
fault lines of [Shiite] and Sunni Islam, and of Kurdish and Arab
populations. It has the world's second-largest known oil reserves. It
is now a base of operations for international terrorism, including [Al-]
Qaeda. Iraq is a centerpiece of American foreign policy, influencing how
the United States is viewed in the region and around the world. Because
of the gravity of Iraq's condition and the country's vital importance,
the United States is facing one of its most difficult and significant
international challenges in decades."

If Iraq is all this, then does it make sense for the US to abandon the
country if its leaders don't play ball? Does the Bush administration have
that luxury? The answer is no, which points to a fundamental flaw in the
report: It prepares the exits in Iraq, but also convinces us why getting
out might be a disaster. Worse, the US depends on the Iraqis to create the
successful context for its departure. Success isn't much of an option,
as the ISG authors have already informed us, so what we're left with is
a cornucopia of vague thoughts, where it's unclear who or what defines
the destiny of US forces in Iraq. Is it the Iraqis? Is it the possible
backlash of an "irresponsible" American withdrawal? Is it American morale,
handicapped by a realization that the US is caught in a losing war?
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  1. 2006-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Video Chip IP lawsuites
  2. 2006-12-04 rc <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] another kids article
  3. 2006-12-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Copyright Society
  4. 2006-12-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] A Meeting NYLXS should make
  5. 2006-12-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [bruce.lai-at-council.nyc.ny.us: E-Update for the Committee on Technology in Government of the New York City Council (December 8, 2006).]
  6. 2006-12-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] GNU/Linux jog - device drivers
  7. 2006-12-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] next NYLXS Meeting
  8. 2006-12-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] much entertainment for the tech savey
  9. 2006-12-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Lebonese Wisdom
  10. 2006-12-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] vets for votes
  11. 2006-12-12 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] next NYLXS Meeting
  12. 2006-12-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [chief-at-freesoftwaremagazine.com: FSM newsletter: FSM Newsletter 11th of December 2006]
  13. 2006-12-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: [vox] [fwd] Newsletter from O'Reilly UG Program, December 11]
  14. 2006-12-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] next NYLXS Meeting
  15. 2006-12-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting
  16. 2006-12-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: [suse-security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: gpg
  17. 2006-12-13 rc <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] next NYLXS Meeting
  18. 2006-12-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Know of anyone intersted..]
  19. 2006-12-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Google and Free Software AJAX
  20. 2006-12-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [googlealerts-noreply-at-google.com: Google Alert - NY Mets]
  21. 2006-12-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [linuxworldexpo-at-idg.com: Ignite Your Full Open Source Potential]
  22. 2006-12-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] xinetd
  23. 2006-12-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [rebuild-at-twintowersalliance.com: Rare Opportunity to Be Heard]
  24. 2006-12-17 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [rebuild-at-twintowersalliance.com: Rare
  25. 2006-12-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Google Books sidestep Adobe
  26. 2006-12-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Free Software Media Centers
  27. 2006-12-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Free Software Media Centers
  28. 2006-12-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Free Software discussion in full swing at www.cointalk.org
  29. 2006-12-18 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] xinetd
  30. 2006-12-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DVD quality video is now card dependent?
  31. 2006-12-18 Matthew <mph-at-dorsai.org> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] xinetd
  32. 2006-12-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] xinetd
  33. 2006-12-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: LINUX System Coordinator - Wanted
  34. 2006-12-22 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Open-source leader leaving Novell for Google
  35. 2006-12-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New Home Page
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  38. 2006-12-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] OCR Patents
  39. 2006-12-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRM is still theft..
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  41. 2006-12-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] On to the next problem ....
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