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DATE 2012-06-19
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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 07:30:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: Elfen Magix
Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fair Use bills
To: "hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com"
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As long as Rule 34 still applies...=0A=0A=A0=0A=0A=0A______________________=
__________=0A From: Paul Robert Marino =0ATo: hangout-at-=
mrbrklyn.com =0ASent: Monday, June 18, 2012 12:52 PM=0ASubject: Re: [NYLXS =
- HANGOUT] Fair Use bills=0A =0Awell sort of rule 10 needs revising or more=
specifically it need be=0Abroken into subclauses or multiple rules.=0AAs i=
t stands its too wide open for interpretation.=0Ait need to lay out some ru=
les about under what cases would be=0Aconsidered a violation of someones in=
tellectual property what actions=0Acan be taken and some limits on how it c=
an be monitored.=0A=0A=0AThis all stems back to how the copyright act was p=
urposefully=0Amisinterpreted and abused by the layers on both sides of the =
Napster=0Acase. put quite simply calling it sharing with friends when what =
users=0Awere really doing was republishing screwed us all.=0AThat said Naps=
ter and other music sharing sites and applications like=0Ait actually did i=
ncrease the profits of the record companies however=0Afrom a business persp=
ective the recording and movie industry found it=0Adisturbing because if th=
ey hadn't done something about it there were=0Aclauses in the copyright act=
that did allow for them to become public=0Adomain if others were republish=
ing and it could be proven that they=0Awere aware but hadn't taken action f=
or a certain number of years.=0AThe real problem with how they handled it w=
as that they were purposely=0Asetting up the Napster case as a justificatio=
n for future lobbying for=0Athings like the digital millennium copyright ac=
t and SOAP. The truth=0Aof the matter is they could have taken a lighter ha=
nd with the Napster=0Acase and kept the the new revenue stream intact but t=
hey over reacted=0Abecause they were listening to internal annalist who wer=
e coming up=0Awith industry dooms day scenarios.=0A=0AThe funny thing is th=
ey inadvertently caused a backlash that fulfilled=0Atheir prophecies. more =
and more recording artists who write original=0Amusic are self publishing i=
nstead of signing away their rights to=0Arecording companies for initial fu=
nding and promotion simply because=0Athey don't need it as much. The record=
ing companies that do get most=0Aof this new talent to sign contract are sm=
aller ones that are looking=0Aat things like youtube viewing statistics and=
offering the artist=0Asignificantly better contract because they know that=
the artist=0Aalready have an audience. The real heart of the issue is that=
the=0Arecording companies and the radio industry have been controlling wha=
t=0Apeople hear and telling them to like essentially what the big=0Arecordi=
ng companies tell them to for along time. in the new internet=0Aera that co=
ntrol has been lost and their business model is to tied to=0Ait to change e=
asily. This will start hitting the movie industry very=0Asoon, although tel=
evision companies already get it and are planing for=0Ait. Televisions mode=
l is different the don't really dictate to the=0Aviewer instead they use st=
atistics to figure out what gets the most=0Apeople consistently watching (w=
hich oddly doesn't always mean they=0Alike it). What television is primaril=
y selling is eye balls (yea i=0Aknow that term sounds creepy but that's the=
term they use) looking at=0Acommercials so they are focusing on things lik=
e how do we take=0Aadvantage of the internet to capture more eye balls on t=
he commercials=0Aso they are starting to think along the lines of who cares=
about DRM=0Awe never had it before and it causes problems so let focuse on=
how to=0Aembed the commercials in a way that's difficult as possible to re=
move.=0AThen allowing other more experienced companies to deal with thing l=
ike=0Apremium commercial free digital distribution as a secondary market.=
=0A=0A=0Aby the way the actual site is here=0Ahttp://keepthewebopen.com/dig=
ital-bill-of-rights=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Ruben Safi=
r wrote:=0A> OK they are finally beginning to come aro=
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As long as=
Rule 34 still applies...
 

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From: Pau=
l Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com>
ht: bold;">To: hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com
weight: bold;">Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 12:52 PM
style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fai=
r Use bills

=0Awell sort of rule 10 needs revising o=
r more specifically it need be
broken into subclauses or multiple rules.=

As it stands its too wide open for interpretation.
it need to lay ou=
t some rules about under what cases would be
considered a violation of s=
omeones intellectual property what actions
can be taken and some limits =
on how it can be monitored.


This all stems back to how the copyr=
ight act was purposefully
misinterpreted and abused by the layers on bot=
h sides of the Napster
case. put quite simply calling it sharing with fr=
iends when what users
were really doing was republishing screwed us all.=

That said Napster and other music sharing sites and applications liker>it actually did increase the profits of the record companies however
f=
rom a business perspective the recording and movie industry found it
dis=
turbing because if they hadn't done something about it there were
clause=
s in the copyright act that did
allow for them to become public
domain if others were republishing and =
it could be proven that they
were aware but hadn't taken action for a ce=
rtain number of years.
The real problem with how they handled it was tha=
t they were purposely
setting up the Napster case as a justification for=
future lobbying for
things like the digital millennium copyright act an=
d SOAP. The truth
of the matter is they could have taken a lighter hand =
with the Napster
case and kept the the new revenue stream intact but the=
y over reacted
because they were listening to internal annalist who were=
coming up
with industry dooms day scenarios.

The funny thing is =
they inadvertently caused a backlash that fulfilled
their prophecies. mo=
re and more recording artists who write original
music are self publishi=
ng instead of signing away their rights to
recording companies for initi=
al funding and promotion simply because
they don't need it as
much. The recording companies that do get most
of this new talent to si=
gn contract are smaller ones that are looking
at things like youtube vie=
wing statistics and offering the artist
significantly better contract be=
cause they know that the artist
already have an audience. The real heart=
of the issue is that the
recording companies and the radio industry hav=
e been controlling what
people hear and telling them to like essentially=
what the big
recording companies tell them to for along time. in the ne=
w internet
era that control has been lost and their business model is to=
tied to
it to change easily. This will start hitting the movie industry=
very
soon, although television companies already get it and are planing=
for
it. Televisions model is different the don't really dictate to the<=
br>viewer instead they use statistics to figure out what gets the most
p=
eople consistently watching (which oddly doesn't always mean
they
like it). What television is primarily selling is eye balls (yea i=

know that term sounds creepy but that's the term they use) looking atr>commercials so they are focusing on things like how do we take
advanta=
ge of the internet to capture more eye balls on the commercials
so they =
are starting to think along the lines of who cares about DRM
we never ha=
d it before and it causes problems so let focuse on how to
embed the com=
mercials in a way that's difficult as possible to remove.
Then allowing =
other more experienced companies to deal with thing like
premium commerc=
ial free digital distribution as a secondary market.


by the way =
the actual site is here
http://keepthewebopen.com/digital-bill-of-rights=




On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Ruben Safir <o=3D"mailto:mrbrklyn-at-panix.com" href=3D"mailto:mrbrklyn-at-panix.com">mrbrklyn=
-at-panix.com
> wrote:
> OK they are finally beginning to come
around
>
> http://www.geekosystem.com/digital-bill-of-rights/<=
br>>
>



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As long as Rule 34 still applies...=0A=0A=A0=0A=0A=0A______________________=
__________=0A From: Paul Robert Marino =0ATo: hangout-at-=
mrbrklyn.com =0ASent: Monday, June 18, 2012 12:52 PM=0ASubject: Re: [NYLXS =
- HANGOUT] Fair Use bills=0A =0Awell sort of rule 10 needs revising or more=
specifically it need be=0Abroken into subclauses or multiple rules.=0AAs i=
t stands its too wide open for interpretation.=0Ait need to lay out some ru=
les about under what cases would be=0Aconsidered a violation of someones in=
tellectual property what actions=0Acan be taken and some limits on how it c=
an be monitored.=0A=0A=0AThis all stems back to how the copyright act was p=
urposefully=0Amisinterpreted and abused by the layers on both sides of the =
Napster=0Acase. put quite simply calling it sharing with friends when what =
users=0Awere really doing was republishing screwed us all.=0AThat said Naps=
ter and other music sharing sites and applications like=0Ait actually did i=
ncrease the profits of the record companies however=0Afrom a business persp=
ective the recording and movie industry found it=0Adisturbing because if th=
ey hadn't done something about it there were=0Aclauses in the copyright act=
that did allow for them to become public=0Adomain if others were republish=
ing and it could be proven that they=0Awere aware but hadn't taken action f=
or a certain number of years.=0AThe real problem with how they handled it w=
as that they were purposely=0Asetting up the Napster case as a justificatio=
n for future lobbying for=0Athings like the digital millennium copyright ac=
t and SOAP. The truth=0Aof the matter is they could have taken a lighter ha=
nd with the Napster=0Acase and kept the the new revenue stream intact but t=
hey over reacted=0Abecause they were listening to internal annalist who wer=
e coming up=0Awith industry dooms day scenarios.=0A=0AThe funny thing is th=
ey inadvertently caused a backlash that fulfilled=0Atheir prophecies. more =
and more recording artists who write original=0Amusic are self publishing i=
nstead of signing away their rights to=0Arecording companies for initial fu=
nding and promotion simply because=0Athey don't need it as much. The record=
ing companies that do get most=0Aof this new talent to sign contract are sm=
aller ones that are looking=0Aat things like youtube viewing statistics and=
offering the artist=0Asignificantly better contract because they know that=
the artist=0Aalready have an audience. The real heart of the issue is that=
the=0Arecording companies and the radio industry have been controlling wha=
t=0Apeople hear and telling them to like essentially what the big=0Arecordi=
ng companies tell them to for along time. in the new internet=0Aera that co=
ntrol has been lost and their business model is to tied to=0Ait to change e=
asily. This will start hitting the movie industry very=0Asoon, although tel=
evision companies already get it and are planing for=0Ait. Televisions mode=
l is different the don't really dictate to the=0Aviewer instead they use st=
atistics to figure out what gets the most=0Apeople consistently watching (w=
hich oddly doesn't always mean they=0Alike it). What television is primaril=
y selling is eye balls (yea i=0Aknow that term sounds creepy but that's the=
term they use) looking at=0Acommercials so they are focusing on things lik=
e how do we take=0Aadvantage of the internet to capture more eye balls on t=
he commercials=0Aso they are starting to think along the lines of who cares=
about DRM=0Awe never had it before and it causes problems so let focuse on=
how to=0Aembed the commercials in a way that's difficult as possible to re=
move.=0AThen allowing other more experienced companies to deal with thing l=
ike=0Apremium commercial free digital distribution as a secondary market.=
=0A=0A=0Aby the way the actual site is here=0Ahttp://keepthewebopen.com/dig=
ital-bill-of-rights=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Ruben Safi=
r wrote:=0A> OK they are finally beginning to come aro=
und=0A>=0A> http://www.geekosystem.com/digital-bill-of-rights/=0A>=0A>
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mes new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt">
As long as=
Rule 34 still applies...
 

=
ize: 12pt;">
erif; font-size: 12pt;">
=

From: Pau=
l Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com>
ht: bold;">To: hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com
weight: bold;">Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 12:52 PM
style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fai=
r Use bills

=0Awell sort of rule 10 needs revising o=
r more specifically it need be
broken into subclauses or multiple rules.=

As it stands its too wide open for interpretation.
it need to lay ou=
t some rules about under what cases would be
considered a violation of s=
omeones intellectual property what actions
can be taken and some limits =
on how it can be monitored.


This all stems back to how the copyr=
ight act was purposefully
misinterpreted and abused by the layers on bot=
h sides of the Napster
case. put quite simply calling it sharing with fr=
iends when what users
were really doing was republishing screwed us all.=

That said Napster and other music sharing sites and applications liker>it actually did increase the profits of the record companies however
f=
rom a business perspective the recording and movie industry found it
dis=
turbing because if they hadn't done something about it there were
clause=
s in the copyright act that did
allow for them to become public
domain if others were republishing and =
it could be proven that they
were aware but hadn't taken action for a ce=
rtain number of years.
The real problem with how they handled it was tha=
t they were purposely
setting up the Napster case as a justification for=
future lobbying for
things like the digital millennium copyright act an=
d SOAP. The truth
of the matter is they could have taken a lighter hand =
with the Napster
case and kept the the new revenue stream intact but the=
y over reacted
because they were listening to internal annalist who were=
coming up
with industry dooms day scenarios.

The funny thing is =
they inadvertently caused a backlash that fulfilled
their prophecies. mo=
re and more recording artists who write original
music are self publishi=
ng instead of signing away their rights to
recording companies for initi=
al funding and promotion simply because
they don't need it as
much. The recording companies that do get most
of this new talent to si=
gn contract are smaller ones that are looking
at things like youtube vie=
wing statistics and offering the artist
significantly better contract be=
cause they know that the artist
already have an audience. The real heart=
of the issue is that the
recording companies and the radio industry hav=
e been controlling what
people hear and telling them to like essentially=
what the big
recording companies tell them to for along time. in the ne=
w internet
era that control has been lost and their business model is to=
tied to
it to change easily. This will start hitting the movie industry=
very
soon, although television companies already get it and are planing=
for
it. Televisions model is different the don't really dictate to the<=
br>viewer instead they use statistics to figure out what gets the most
p=
eople consistently watching (which oddly doesn't always mean
they
like it). What television is primarily selling is eye balls (yea i=

know that term sounds creepy but that's the term they use) looking atr>commercials so they are focusing on things like how do we take
advanta=
ge of the internet to capture more eye balls on the commercials
so they =
are starting to think along the lines of who cares about DRM
we never ha=
d it before and it causes problems so let focuse on how to
embed the com=
mercials in a way that's difficult as possible to remove.
Then allowing =
other more experienced companies to deal with thing like
premium commerc=
ial free digital distribution as a secondary market.


by the way =
the actual site is here
http://keepthewebopen.com/digital-bill-of-rights=




On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Ruben Safir <o=3D"mailto:mrbrklyn-at-panix.com" href=3D"mailto:mrbrklyn-at-panix.com">mrbrklyn=
-at-panix.com
> wrote:
> OK they are finally beginning to come
around
>
> http://www.geekosystem.com/digital-bill-of-rights/<=
br>>
>



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