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DATE 2012-11-01

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DATE 2012-11-26
FROM Ruben
SUBJECT Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Re: [conspire] No Copyright Intended
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Subject: Re: [conspire] No Copyright Intended
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 13:12:58 -0800
From: Don Marti
To: conspire-at-linuxmafia.com



begin Paul Zander quotation of Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 10:43:18AM -0800:

> There is no dialog discussing the effort of making original content, even an essay for school, and just copying / mixing other peoples content.

When I was a kid, if I went to the library to borrow
an LP, or to the record store to buy one, it would
just play at home. When my parents went shopping
for a "hi-fi", all the components would work with
each other and with all their existing content.

Today, kids are playing the game of "pick the right
DRM scheme to be locked into, or have all your stuff
disappear if you pick the wrong one, or ever decide
to switch."

Good piece from Terence Eden:
http://shkspr.mobi/blog/2012/11/i-dont-want-to-be-part-of-your-fucking-ecosystem/

It would be an oversimplification to assert that
"these kids today" are unilaterally deciding
to cheat at a fair game. There's also a lack of
predictable/understandable value from the infotainment
industry side.

--
Don Marti
http://zgp.org/~dmarti/
dmarti-at-zgp.org

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Subject:
Re: [conspire] No Copyright Intended
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 13:12:58 -0800
From: Don Marti <dmarti-at-zgp.org>
To: conspire-at-linuxmafia.com





begin Paul Zander quotation of Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 10:43:18AM -0800:

> There is no dialog discussing the effort of making original content, even an essay for school, and just copying / mixing other peoples content.

When I was a kid, if I went to the library to borrow
an LP, or to the record store to buy one, it would
just play at home. When my parents went shopping
for a "hi-fi", all the components would work with
each other and with all their existing content.

Today, kids are playing the game of "pick the right
DRM scheme to be locked into, or have all your stuff
disappear if you pick the wrong one, or ever decide
to switch."

Good piece from Terence Eden:
http://shkspr.mobi/blog/2012/11/i-dont-want-to-be-part-of-your-fucking-ecosystem/

It would be an oversimplification to assert that
"these kids today" are unilaterally deciding
to cheat at a fair game. There's also a lack of
predictable/understandable value from the infotainment
industry side.

--
Don Marti
http://zgp.org/~dmarti/
dmarti-at-zgp.org

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  1. 2012-11-01 Ruben <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] hwo is everyone
  2. 2012-11-01 Ruben <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] hwo is everyone
  3. 2012-11-01 Robert Menes <viewtiful.icchan-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] hwo is everyone
  4. 2012-11-01 Kevin Mark <kevin.mark-at-verizon.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] hwo is everyone
  5. 2012-11-01 Kevin Mark <kevin.mark-at-verizon.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] hwo is everyone
  6. 2012-11-01 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] hwo is everyone
  7. 2012-11-01 Ruben <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] kicked out of another forum
  8. 2012-11-01 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] kicked out of another forum
  9. 2012-11-01 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] kicked out of another forum
  10. 2012-11-02 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] kicked out of another forum
  11. 2012-11-03 Redpill <redpill-at-rcn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] hwo is everyone
  12. 2012-11-03 Redpill <redpill-at-rcn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] hwo is everyone
  13. 2012-11-03 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] hwo is everyone
  14. 2012-11-03 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] hwo is everyone
  15. 2012-11-03 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] hwo is everyone
  16. 2012-11-03 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] hwo is everyone
  17. 2012-11-03 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] kicked out of another forum
  18. 2012-11-03 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] hwo is everyone
  19. 2012-11-05 Ruben <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] pre-election news
  20. 2012-11-05 Ruben <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] kicked out of another forum
  21. 2012-11-05 Ruben <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Micheal George
  22. 2012-11-05 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] kicked out of another forum
  23. 2012-11-05 Ruben <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] kicked out of another forum
  24. 2012-11-05 Redpill <redpill-at-rcn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] hwo is everyone
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  26. 2012-11-05 Ruben <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] hwo is everyone
  27. 2012-11-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] city on edge
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  29. 2012-11-06 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Cat 5 Cable
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  38. 2012-11-07 Kevin Mark <kevin.mark-at-verizon.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] city on edge
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  41. 2012-11-08 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] kicked out of another forum
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  47. 2012-11-09 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Lets play -what the hell is this!
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  54. 2012-11-18 Redpill <redpill-at-rcn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] hwo is everyone
  55. 2012-11-18 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] hwo is everyone
  56. 2012-11-18 From: "Redpill" <red.pill-at-verizon.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] test
  57. 2012-11-19 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Online Privacy
  58. 2012-11-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] check out this crackpot
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  66. 2012-11-26 Ruben <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Re: [conspire] No Copyright Intended
  67. 2012-11-26 Ruben <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New Server
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  69. 2012-11-26 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New Server
  70. 2012-11-26 Ruben <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New Server
  71. 2012-11-26 Ruben <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: [isoc-ny] Fwd: [Computers_and_society_announcements] Great upcoming
  72. 2012-11-26 Ruben <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: I think this adequately explains everything
  73. 2012-11-27 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] sttng movie
  74. 2012-11-27 Kevin Mark <kevin.mark-at-verizon.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] sttng movie
  75. 2012-11-27 Ruben <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] sttng movie
  76. 2012-11-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] server on the last leg
  77. 2012-11-28 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] I think this adequately explains everything
  78. 2012-11-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] sttng movie
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  80. 2012-11-30 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] sttng movie
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