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DATE 2014-06-16
FROM From: "Michael L. Richardson"
SUBJECT Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Stupidity of the highest order ...
Last I heard you can get taken to court for pointing out security flaws
in non-open source products, (if none are reported they must not be there).

einker wrote:
> Articles like this truly PISS ME OFF! Now, only Open Source Projects
> by their sheer adherence to open source philosophy are hampered by
> security flaws? BULLSHIT.
> I guess all Microsoft and Apple products never had any security issues
> (You wish!) and were pristine because commercial vendor tested them to
> a greater degree than open source projects.
> Give me a break! Commercial products are riddled with security and
> basic programming issues. Best of all, you will never know since you
> can't see the source/test and until its way too late and you've been
> screwed.
> One of my favorites, OpenBSD (Calm down Ruben! Nothing personal and
> Theo does love you...) has only to remote holes in their base OS
> install in the late 10 or more years.
>
> It's amazing that Paul Rubens calls out open source / free software
> yet has the audacity to reference free and open source security
> programs on his website (rubens.org linking to
> http://www.clippings.me/paulrubens).
> Isn't it amazing how you use the products but then bash their security
> status and have the nerve to say that security reviews were never done.
> For what its worth, if you have doubts/concerns about open source /
> free software, do the rest of the planet a real service, don't use it.
> More importantly, dig your head from out of your ass and check out the
> plethora of opens ource / free source projects that have been
> responsible for running and maintaining the internet for years. I
> would strongly suggest looking ta netcraft surveys and then ask why is
> everyone using free OS / servers to host on as opposed
> to commercial offerings. Could it be SECURITY, VIABILITY or even
> should i say it..... Best software going for the job!
>
> For the Rubens of the World, please all turn off your computers
> whatever you are suing and please go live in a cave with the other
> Neanderthals!
>
>
> Why open source software isn't as secure as you think
>
> A failure to spot a necessary validation in OpenSLL code before an
> update caused the Heartbleed bug
>
> Paul Rubens (CIO (US))
> on 13
> June, 2014 08:56
>
>
> The OpenSSL Heartbleed fiasco
>
> proves beyond any doubt what many people have suspected for a long
> time: Just because open source code is available for inspection
> doesn't mean it's actually being inspected and is secure.
>
> It's an important point, as the security of open source software
> relies on large numbers of sufficiently knowledgeable programmers
> scrutinising the code to root out and fix bugs promptly. This is
> summed up in Linus's Law :
> "Given enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow."
>
> But look at what happened with OpenSSL. Robin Seggelemann, a German
> programmer from Munster University, updated the OpenSLL code by adding
> a new Heartbeat keep-alive function. Unfortunately, he missed a
> necessary validation in his code to check that one particular variable
> had a realistic value.
>
> The member of the OpenSSL development team who checked the code before
> the update was released also missed it. This caused the Heartbleed bug.
>
> One reviewer, even a handful of reviewers, can easily miss a trivial
> error such as this if they don't know there's a bug to be found.
> What's worrying is that, for two years, the Heartbleed bug existed in
> OpenSLL, in browsers and in Web servers, yet no one in the open source
> community spotted it. Not enough eyeballs scrutinised the code.
>
> *Commercial vendors don't review open source code*
>
> Also alarming is that OpenSSL was used as a component in hardware
> products offered by commercial vendors such as F5 Networks, Citrix
> Systems, Riverbed Technology and Barracuda Networks - all of whom
> failed to scrutinise the code adequately before using it, according to
> Mamoon Yunus, CEO of Forum Systems , a
> secure cloud gateway vendor.
>
> "You would think that it would be my responsibility as a vendor, if I
> commercialise OpenSSL, to put my eyeballs on it," he says. "You have
> to take a level of ownership of the code if you build a company based
> on an open source component."
>
> Instead, Yunus believes vendors just regarded OpenSSL as a useful
> bolt-on to their hardware products - and, since it was open source,
> assumed other people were examining the code.
>
> "Everyone assumed other eyeballs were looking at it. They took the
> attitude that it was a million other people's responsibility to look
> at it, so it wasn't their responsibility," he says. "That's where the
> negligence comes in from an open source angle."
>
> **
>
> Yunus suggests that commercial vendors should run effective peer
> review programs for any open source code that they use, run static and
> dynamic analysis tools over it and "fuzz" the code to ensure it's as
> bug-free as possible. "What have these companies been doing for the
> last 10 or 15 years? If I were them, I would be taking a long, hard
> look at QA processes."
>
> In fact, Yunus questions whether OpenSSL should ever have been written
> in a relatively low-level language such as C
> ,
> echoing security expert Bruce Schneier
>
> by suggesting it could be seen as "criminal negligence" to use a
> language that lacks memory management for such a security sensitive
> application.
>
> Jeffrey Hammond, a security analyst at Forrester Research, contradicts
> this view. He points out that performance is a key attribute of
> OpenSSL as it has to deal with huge volumes of packets.
>
> "If you have access to memory you are going to be open to some types
> of attacks, but you get the performance," Hammond points out. "I
> wouldn't say they should never have developed OpenSSL in C, but it's
> true that with performance comes responsibility."
>
> *OpenSSL, Truecrypt show limits of open source code review*
>
> One problem facing many open source projects - and the reason it's
> hard to blame Seggelemann or the rest of the OpenSSL team - is that
> carrying out a rigorous code security review is immensely time
> consuming and requires a high level of skill. That means it's very
> expensive.
>
> This is illustrated by another open source project: The TrueCrypt
> encryption program. The code has been open to anyone who cares to look
> at it since the project started 10 years ago - but it's only very
> recently, following fundraising campaigns on Indiegogo and Fundfill
> that yielded US$60,000, that the code has undergone a proper security
> audit.
>
> **
>
> An initial report
>
> into just the bootloader and Windows kernel driver of the program
> identified 11 vulnerabilities, said that the quality of the source
> code was bad and pointed out that compiling TrueCrypt from source
> required using outdated (in one case, 21-year-old) and unsigned build
> tools that could be modified maliciously and that are hard to access
> from trustworthy sources.
>
> The code auditors said, "Overall,
> the source code for both the bootloader and the Windows kernel driver
> did not meet expected standards for secure code. "
>
> What's worrying is that this only came to light after funds where
> raised to hire the resources to carry out a code review. The open
> source community had plenty of opportunities to do this over the last
> 10 years - but the truth is that the community doesn't have the time,
> skills or resources (including money) to do the job properly.
>
> A new problem will affect the security of OpenSSL going forward, too:
> The code is being forked, thanks to an initiative called LibreSSL
> led by the OpenBSD
> team. LibreSSL is intended to be a stripped
> down version of OpenSSL; in the first week of the LibreSLL project,
> more than 90,000 lines of code were removed, including those
> supporting operating systems such as VMS and OS/2.
>
> The problem, simply stated: Since it's easy to see what's being
> removed from LibreSSL, and which bits are being replaced as they're
> deemed insecure, OpenSSL users are left exposed to malicious hackers
> who may exploit the weaknesses that LibreSSL discovers and removes -
> that is, unless the OpenSSL project can keep up with LibreSSL's progress.
>
> Security by obscurity is never a good idea, but once vulnerabilities
> are made public, they need to be fixed right away. It's not clear that
> the OpenSSL team is in a position to do that - it's said that the
> project only had one full-time maintainer - or that software and
> hardware products that use OpenSSL will necessarily be updated
> promptly even if the OpenSSL software itself is.
>
> *Taking open source security seriously after Heardbleed*
>
> The good news for those concerned about the security of open source
> projects like OpenSSL is that help could be on its way in the shape of
> the Core Infrastructure Initiative (CII)
> ,
> a new project founded by the Linux Foundation in response to
> Heartbleed. Its purpose is to funnel needed money into software
> projects such as OpenSSL that are critical to the functioning of the
> Internet.
>
> "Our global economy is built on top of many open source projects,"
> says Jim Zemlin, the Linux Foundation's executive director. "We will
> now be able to support additional developers and maintainers to work
> full-time supporting other essential open source projects."
>
> Support from the CII may also include funding for security audits,
> computing and test infrastructure. So far, about US$4 million has been
> pledged over the next three years by companies including Google,
> Microsoft and Facebook.
>
> /Paul Rubens is a technology journalist based in England. Contact him
> at paul-at-rubens.org ./
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Evan M. Inker

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