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DATE 2017-03-12
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] the internet of death
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/603015/security-experts-warn-congress-that-the-internet-of-things-could-kill-people/

Security Experts Warn Congress That the Internet of Things Could Kill People

Poorly secured webcams and other Internet-connected devices are already
being used as tools for cyberattacks. Can the government prevent this
from becoming a catastrophic problem?

by Mike Orcutt December 5, 2016

3
A growing mass of poorly secured devices on the Internet of things
represents a serious risk to life and property, and the government must
intervene to mitigate it. That’s essentially the message that prominent
computer security experts recently delivered to Congress.

The huge denial-of-service attack in October that crippled the Internet
infrastructure provider Dyn and knocked out much of the Web for users in
the eastern United States was “benign,” Bruce Schneier, a renowned
security scholar and lecturer on public policy at Harvard, said during a
hearing last month held by the House Energy and Commerce Committee. No
one died. But he said the attack—which relied on a botnet made of hacked
webcams, camcorders, baby monitors, and other devices—illustrated the
“catastrophic risks” posed by the proliferation of insecure things on
the Internet.

For example, Schneier and other experts testified that the same poor
security exists in computers making their way into hospitals, including
those used to manage elevators and ventilation systems. It’s not hard to
imagine a fatal disaster, which makes it imperative that the government
step in to fix this “market failure,” he said.

The problems with IoT devices are worsening because manufacturers lack
incentives to prioritize security. Even if consumers wanted to assess
the relative security of Internet-connected thermostats and other
devices, there are no established ratings or other measures.

There is little disagreement that the government should do something
about this, since so many critical systems are vulnerable to attacks
like the one that hit Dyn. Exactly how the government should handle the
situation, however, is a subject of an intensifying debate in
Washington—one that won’t be settled before President-elect Donald Trump
takes office. Business groups such as the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and
the Consumer Technology Association argue that new regulations on IoT
devices could hinder innovation.

Schneier argues that we need a new agency in charge of cybersecurity
rules. This seems unlikely, given that Trump campaigned on a broad
promise to roll back regulations, and Republicans generally oppose
expanding the government. But if something catastrophic were to happen,
a frightened public would probably ask that something be done, and the
government should be prepared for that, he warned the committee members.

How big is the risk? Massive and growing, says Kevin Fu, a University of
Michigan professor of computer science and engineering who specializes
in cybersecurity. Not only are IoT devices being added in “sensitive
places that have high consequence, like hospitals,” Fu said, but
millions of them can be easily hacked and gathered into huge botnets,
armies of zombie computers that adversaries can use to debilitate
targeted institutions.

Fu, who also testified in the House hearing, believes that without a
“significant change in cyber hygiene” the Internet can’t be relied on to
support critical systems. He recommends that the government develop an
independent entity in charge of testing the security of IoT devices. The
process should include premarket testing along the lines of the
automotive crash testing done by the National Highway Traffic Safety
Administration, post-attack testing similar to what the National
Transportation Safety Board does after car crashes, and “survivability
and destruction testing” to assess how well devices cope with attacks,
says Fu.

We don’t know yet whether the Trump administration or the next Congress
will make addressing IoT-related risks a priority. So what can the
government do in the meantime? Last month, the Department of Homeland
Security released a set of “strategic principles for securing the
Internet of Things,” and suggested that the government could sue
manufacturers for failing to “build security in during design.” On the
same day, the National Institute of Standards and Technology, which
publishes industry standards for many areas of technology, issued
voluntary guidelines for engineering “more defensible and survivable”
connected systems.

Meanwhile, every additional connected computer—whether it is in a car,
drone, medical device, or any one of countless other gadgets and
systems—is exposed to these risks. That’s why centralized regulatory
authority is needed, according to Schneier: “We can’t have different
rules if the computer has wheels, or propellers, or makes phone calls,
or is in your body.”


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  110. 2017-03-15 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] One step forward, two steps backward..:
  111. 2017-03-15 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: Re: [nylug-talk] Fwd: Contact DOJ and thell
  112. 2017-03-15 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] One step forward, two steps backward..:
  113. 2017-03-15 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Hospital report: Chocolate ! also causes heart
  114. 2017-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] One step forward,
  115. 2017-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] One step forward,
  116. 2017-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] One step forward,
  117. 2017-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Rebecca Bond - Enemy of the People
  118. 2017-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Rebecca Bond - Enemy of the People
  119. 2017-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Special Interests War on the internet
  120. 2017-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] One step forward,
  121. 2017-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] end the ADA
  122. 2017-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] end the ADA
  123. 2017-03-15 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fire Judge Katherine A. Robertson
  124. 2017-03-15 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] "Unprecedented winter storm of historic magnitude,
  125. 2017-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] One step forward,
  126. 2017-03-15 Andrew Beyer <beyer.andrew-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] [nylug-talk] Fwd: Contact DOJ and thell them to
  127. 2017-03-15 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] [beyer.andrew-at-gmail.com: Re: [nylug-talk] Fwd:
  128. 2017-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] MIT sued to remove content
  129. 2017-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Cosmo Magasize can be shut down by the ADA
  130. 2017-03-15 Richard Stallman <rms-at-gnu.org> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] DOJ threatens to pull all educational videos
  131. 2017-03-15 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] One step forward,
  132. 2017-03-15 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] One step forward,
  133. 2017-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] One step forward,
  134. 2017-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] One step forward,
  135. 2017-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] One step forward,
  136. 2017-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] One step forward,
  137. 2017-03-15 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] the end of free education
  138. 2017-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] DOJ threatens to pull all educational videos
  139. 2017-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] DOJ threatens to pull all educational videos
  140. 2017-03-15 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] One step forward,
  141. 2017-03-15 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] the end of free education
  142. 2017-03-15 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] One step forward,
  143. 2017-03-15 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] One step forward,
  144. 2017-03-15 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] One step forward,
  145. 2017-03-15 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] the end of free education
  146. 2017-03-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] One step forward,
  147. 2017-03-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] the end of free education
  148. 2017-03-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] One step forward,
  149. 2017-03-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] One step forward,
  150. 2017-03-16 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] One step forward,
  151. 2017-03-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] the end of free education

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