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From: Jacob Salomon
To: "ny.pm" , James E Keenan
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I had a mild case in March 2020 and I got both shots in Jan and Feb of this=
year.=C2=A0 I carry a mask but almost never put it on.=C2=A0 I would not b=
e the least bit concerned about a face-to-face meetup.=C2=A0 My only concer=
n is the NYC subway system.
I'd love to get back to those meetings!
+----- Jacob Salomon -- jakesalomon-at-yahoo.com -------------------------+| T=
he first lesson of economics is scarcity: there is never enough of=C2=A0 ||=
anything to fully satisfy all those who want it. The first lesson of || po=
litics is to disregard the first lesson of economics.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |+------------------------------ Thomas Sowell =
(Is Reality Optional?) --+=20

On Thursday, June 17, 2021, 10:49:22 AM EDT, James E Keenan box.com> wrote: =20
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We should talk about how and when we can resume New York Perlmonger=20
social meetings.

As best I can tell the last social meeting we had was Jan 27 2020 at the=20
Peculier Pub.=C2=A0 (We co-sponsored one tech meeting with NYCBUG on March =
3=20
2020 and had a couple of tech meetings via Zoom over the past year.)

On the one hand ...

1. The pandemic in the U.S. has been receding for some time.

2. Street/bar/restaurant life in New York City is clearly on the upswing.

3. Many people are now fully vaccinated.

On the other hand ...

1. Worldwide the pandemic is worse than ever.=C2=A0 In many countries the=
=20
more dangerous "delta" variant is outpacing vaccinations.=C2=A0 (See:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/06/16/delta-variant-ashish-jha=
-us-vaccines/)

2. The government (which in this case means the Cuomo administration) is=20
permitting things to re-open with a much looser definition of "herd=20
immunity" (say, 70% of the population *partially* vaccinated) than=20
public health people were using early in the pandemic (say, 80% of the=20
population *fully* vaccinated).=C2=A0 There are many neighborhoods in NYC=
=20
where vaccination rates are poor, whether due to access problems or to=20
ideological resistance.

3. An ny.pm social meeting is an event where, by definition, you are=20
unmasked and where you are not practicing social distancing.

The implication I draw from these considerations is that we can resume=20
social meetings provided that we ask everyone attending to be fully=20
vaccinated ... where fully vaccinated means you've had both shots=20
(assuming you're getting one of the two-shot jabs) and have had time for=20
that inoculation to achieve effectiveness.

Which then suggests that we could resume social meetings starting in=20
early August.=C2=A0 That would allow people 1 week to schedule an initial=
=20
vaccination, 3 weeks between shots, and 2 weeks for the vaccination to=20
become fully effective.

What do you all think?

Thank you very much.
Jim Keenan

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We should talk about how and when we =
can resume New York Perlmonger
social meetings.<=
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us "delta" variant is outpacing vaccinations.  (See:

2. The g=
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permitting things to re-open with a much looser definition=
of "herd
immunity" (say, 70% of the population =
*partially* vaccinated) than
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e were using early in the pandemic (say, 80% of the
tr">population *fully* vaccinated).  There are many neighborhoods in N=
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fully effective.

What =
do you all think?

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k you very much.
Jim Keenan
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I had a mild case in March 2020 and I got both shots in Jan and Feb of this=
year.=C2=A0 I carry a mask but almost never put it on.=C2=A0 I would not b=
e the least bit concerned about a face-to-face meetup.=C2=A0 My only concer=
n is the NYC subway system.
I'd love to get back to those meetings!
+----- Jacob Salomon -- jakesalomon-at-yahoo.com -------------------------+| T=
he first lesson of economics is scarcity: there is never enough of=C2=A0 ||=
anything to fully satisfy all those who want it. The first lesson of || po=
litics is to disregard the first lesson of economics.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |+------------------------------ Thomas Sowell =
(Is Reality Optional?) --+=20

On Thursday, June 17, 2021, 10:49:22 AM EDT, James E Keenan box.com> wrote: =20
=20
We should talk about how and when we can resume New York Perlmonger=20
social meetings.

As best I can tell the last social meeting we had was Jan 27 2020 at the=20
Peculier Pub.=C2=A0 (We co-sponsored one tech meeting with NYCBUG on March =
3=20
2020 and had a couple of tech meetings via Zoom over the past year.)

On the one hand ...

1. The pandemic in the U.S. has been receding for some time.

2. Street/bar/restaurant life in New York City is clearly on the upswing.

3. Many people are now fully vaccinated.

On the other hand ...

1. Worldwide the pandemic is worse than ever.=C2=A0 In many countries the=
=20
more dangerous "delta" variant is outpacing vaccinations.=C2=A0 (See:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/06/16/delta-variant-ashish-jha=
-us-vaccines/)

2. The government (which in this case means the Cuomo administration) is=20
permitting things to re-open with a much looser definition of "herd=20
immunity" (say, 70% of the population *partially* vaccinated) than=20
public health people were using early in the pandemic (say, 80% of the=20
population *fully* vaccinated).=C2=A0 There are many neighborhoods in NYC=
=20
where vaccination rates are poor, whether due to access problems or to=20
ideological resistance.

3. An ny.pm social meeting is an event where, by definition, you are=20
unmasked and where you are not practicing social distancing.

The implication I draw from these considerations is that we can resume=20
social meetings provided that we ask everyone attending to be fully=20
vaccinated ... where fully vaccinated means you've had both shots=20
(assuming you're getting one of the two-shot jabs) and have had time for=20
that inoculation to achieve effectiveness.

Which then suggests that we could resume social meetings starting in=20
early August.=C2=A0 That would allow people 1 week to schedule an initial=
=20
vaccination, 3 weeks between shots, and 2 weeks for the vaccination to=20
become fully effective.

What do you all think?

Thank you very much.
Jim Keenan

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| The first lesson of economics=
is scarcity: there is never enough of  |
| anything to full=
y satisfy all those who want it. The first lesson of |
| politics=
is to disregard the first lesson of economics.        =
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On Thursday, June 17, 2021, 10:49:22 AM EDT, James E Ke=
enan <jkeenan-at-pobox.com> wrote:





We should talk about how and when we =
can resume New York Perlmonger
social meetings.<=
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As best I can tell the=
last social meeting we had was Jan 27 2020 at the
r">Peculier Pub.  (We co-sponsored one tech meeting with NYCBUG on Mar=
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2020 and had a couple of tech meetings via =
Zoom over the past year.)

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">1. The pandemic in the U.S. has been receding for some time.
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2. Street/bar/restaurant life in N=
ew York City is clearly on the upswing.

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On the other hand ...
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1. Worldwide the pandemic is worse tha=
n ever.  In many countries the
more dangero=
us "delta" variant is outpacing vaccinations.  (See:

2. The g=
overnment (which in this case means the Cuomo administration) is
=
permitting things to re-open with a much looser definition=
of "herd
immunity" (say, 70% of the population =
*partially* vaccinated) than
public health peopl=
e were using early in the pandemic (say, 80% of the
tr">population *fully* vaccinated).  There are many neighborhoods in N=
YC
where vaccination rates are poor, whether due=
to access problems or to
ideological resistance=
.

3. An ny.pm social m=
eeting is an event where, by definition, you are
>unmasked and where you are not practicing social distancing.
dir=3D"ltr">
The implication I draw from these c=
onsiderations is that we can resume
social meeti=
ngs provided that we ask everyone attending to be fully
=3D"ltr">vaccinated ... where fully vaccinated means you've had both shots =

(assuming you're getting one of the two-shot jab=
s) and have had time for
that inoculation to ach=
ieve effectiveness.

Wh=
ich then suggests that we could resume social meetings starting in
v>
early August.  That would allow people 1 week to sc=
hedule an initial
vaccination, 3 weeks between s=
hots, and 2 weeks for the vaccination to
become =
fully effective.

What =
do you all think?

Than=
k you very much.
Jim Keenan
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