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Really /  Thanks, I didn't know about that.


 


But what I am interested in is where all my ancestors originate from in far back history.


 


i assume a hospital test does not do that ?


 
 

Gesendet: Samstag, 15. April 2023 um 17:44 Uhr

Von: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com>

An: ruth02-at-web.de

Cc: "Ruben Safir" <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com>, "Ancestry.com Customer Service" <customersolutions-at-ancestry.com>, "Harmon, Amy" <amy.harmon-at-gmail.com>, "rms" <rms-at-gnu.org>, "Hangout" <hangout-at-nylxs.com>

Betreff: Re: Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Ancestry: Why ANONYMOUS testing NOT ALLOWED ?? | | do not mean the "company" anonomyzing the DNA


Yes I understood what you meant, I was explaining their model and why

they do not allow you to be anonymous on those services.

If you want to have your DNA scanned strictly for medical reasons only

(not ancestral data or to see who's related to you), you can do that

at a hospital or other medical office that offers the service in your

area and in that way privacy laws,and regulations about medical

documents for the country and region will apply to them. It is much

more expensive than those services but they actually do a full scan

not just the partial scan done by those services and as a result

reveal much more information, and your medical insurance may cover it

under certain circumstances.



On Sat, Apr 15, 2023 at 4:39 PM <ruth02-at-web.de> wrote:

>

> Thanks for your response, but I see I need to explain more clearly: I do not mean the "company" anonomyzing the DNA, I mean giving the co. a DNA sample with the subject person

>

> NOT GIVING THEIR IDENTITY TO THE COMPANY AT ALL.

>

> The biggest danger to letting these co.'s have your DNA is to yourself, your children, grandkids, and all descendents into the future.

>

> If they identify some genetic defect, you and all your descendents could be denied employment, health and life and insurance, and more than you can imagine.

>

> That is my point. Can you find such a DNA decoding lab or company that will allow anonymous sample submissions ?

>

> I understand the answer is NO. That fact alone should tell you something !

>

> If you are aware of any such company, please provide info / link.

>

> Thanks !

>

>

> Gesendet: Samstag, 15. April 2023 um 15:38 Uhr

> Von: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com>

> An: ruth02-at-web.de

> Cc: "Ruben Safir" <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com>, "Ancestry.com Customer Service" <customersolutions-at-ancestry.com>, "Harmon, Amy" <amy.harmon-at-gmail.com>, "rms" <rms-at-gnu.org>, "Hangout" <hangout-at-nylxs.com>

> Betreff: Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Ancestry: Why ANONYMOUS testing NOT ALLOWED ??

> I don't know specifically about Ancestry and their terms of service,

> but many of them do sell your genetic information for "research

> purposes"! I can tell you this from first hand experience having

> worked for an advertising company that bought that data for

> "research" related to marketing. They stopped offering the marketing

> product that used DNA because it wasn't profitable yet but I'm sure

> they weren't the only ones who tried it and it will be something the

> advertising industry will do in the future. As for if its anonymized

> or not by the companies they may vary but it is used in ways you would

> not expect reading the terms of service. here is just a few example

> https://nypost.com/2023/02/02/i-took-a-23andme-dna-test-and-cops-linked-me-to-a-murder/

> https://www.11alive.com/article/news/investigations/the-reveal/all-in-the-family-dna-investigation/85-179895c9-1b7e-4e93-8ab4-beae25a44a79

>

>

> On Sat, Apr 15, 2023 at 11:12 AM <ruth02-at-web.de> wrote:

> >

> > Ruben,

> >

> > my friend in the USA, who also is a friend of your also but I don't see on your forum anymore, told me something about these USA ancestry tests which i don't think are avilable in my country.

> >

> > he said that no matter how hard you try, none of these companies will let a person give a sample and have it analyzed on an ANONYMOUS basis.

> >

> > In other words, they don't allow giving a sample, paying for the service, but without identifying yourself.

> >

> > Now, why is that ??

> >

> > Appreciate any insights you can give.

> >

> >

> > Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. Januar 2023 um 21:48 Uhr

> > Von: "Ruben Safir" <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com>

> > An: "Ancestry.com Customer Service" <customersolutions-at-ancestry.com>, "Harmon, Amy" <amy.harmon-at-gmail.com>, "rms" <rms-at-gnu.org>, "Hangout" <hangout-at-nylxs.com>

> > Betreff: Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Ancestry

> > On 1/24/23 17:55, Ancestry.com Customer Service wrote:

> >

> > _______________________________________________

> > Hangout mailing list

> > Hangout-at-nylxs.com

> > http://lists.mrbrklyn.com/mailman/listinfo/hangout





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Really /  Thanks, I didn't know about that.


 


But what I am interested in is where all my ancestors originate from in far back history.


 


i assume a hospital test does not do that ?


 
 

Gesendet: Samstag, 15. April 2023 um 17:44 Uhr

Von: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com>

An: ruth02-at-web.de

Cc: "Ruben Safir" <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com>, "Ancestry.com Customer Service" <customersolutions-at-ancestry.com>, "Harmon, Amy" <amy.harmon-at-gmail.com>, "rms" <rms-at-gnu.org>, "Hangout" <hangout-at-nylxs.com>

Betreff: Re: Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Ancestry: Why ANONYMOUS testing NOT ALLOWED ?? | | do not mean the "company" anonomyzing the DNA


Yes I understood what you meant, I was explaining their model and why

they do not allow you to be anonymous on those services.

If you want to have your DNA scanned strictly for medical reasons only

(not ancestral data or to see who's related to you), you can do that

at a hospital or other medical office that offers the service in your

area and in that way privacy laws,and regulations about medical

documents for the country and region will apply to them. It is much

more expensive than those services but they actually do a full scan

not just the partial scan done by those services and as a result

reveal much more information, and your medical insurance may cover it

under certain circumstances.



On Sat, Apr 15, 2023 at 4:39 PM <ruth02-at-web.de> wrote:

>

> Thanks for your response, but I see I need to explain more clearly: I do not mean the "company" anonomyzing the DNA, I mean giving the co. a DNA sample with the subject person

>

> NOT GIVING THEIR IDENTITY TO THE COMPANY AT ALL.

>

> The biggest danger to letting these co.'s have your DNA is to yourself, your children, grandkids, and all descendents into the future.

>

> If they identify some genetic defect, you and all your descendents could be denied employment, health and life and insurance, and more than you can imagine.

>

> That is my point. Can you find such a DNA decoding lab or company that will allow anonymous sample submissions ?

>

> I understand the answer is NO. That fact alone should tell you something !

>

> If you are aware of any such company, please provide info / link.

>

> Thanks !

>

>

> Gesendet: Samstag, 15. April 2023 um 15:38 Uhr

> Von: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com>

> An: ruth02-at-web.de

> Cc: "Ruben Safir" <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com>, "Ancestry.com Customer Service" <customersolutions-at-ancestry.com>, "Harmon, Amy" <amy.harmon-at-gmail.com>, "rms" <rms-at-gnu.org>, "Hangout" <hangout-at-nylxs.com>

> Betreff: Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Ancestry: Why ANONYMOUS testing NOT ALLOWED ??

> I don't know specifically about Ancestry and their terms of service,

> but many of them do sell your genetic information for "research

> purposes"! I can tell you this from first hand experience having

> worked for an advertising company that bought that data for

> "research" related to marketing. They stopped offering the marketing

> product that used DNA because it wasn't profitable yet but I'm sure

> they weren't the only ones who tried it and it will be something the

> advertising industry will do in the future. As for if its anonymized

> or not by the companies they may vary but it is used in ways you would

> not expect reading the terms of service. here is just a few example

> https://nypost.com/2023/02/02/i-took-a-23andme-dna-test-and-cops-linked-me-to-a-murder/

> https://www.11alive.com/article/news/investigations/the-reveal/all-in-the-family-dna-investigation/85-179895c9-1b7e-4e93-8ab4-beae25a44a79

>

>

> On Sat, Apr 15, 2023 at 11:12 AM <ruth02-at-web.de> wrote:

> >

> > Ruben,

> >

> > my friend in the USA, who also is a friend of your also but I don't see on your forum anymore, told me something about these USA ancestry tests which i don't think are avilable in my country.

> >

> > he said that no matter how hard you try, none of these companies will let a person give a sample and have it analyzed on an ANONYMOUS basis.

> >

> > In other words, they don't allow giving a sample, paying for the service, but without identifying yourself.

> >

> > Now, why is that ??

> >

> > Appreciate any insights you can give.

> >

> >

> > Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. Januar 2023 um 21:48 Uhr

> > Von: "Ruben Safir" <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com>

> > An: "Ancestry.com Customer Service" <customersolutions-at-ancestry.com>, "Harmon, Amy" <amy.harmon-at-gmail.com>, "rms" <rms-at-gnu.org>, "Hangout" <hangout-at-nylxs.com>

> > Betreff: Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Ancestry

> > On 1/24/23 17:55, Ancestry.com Customer Service wrote:

> >

> > _______________________________________________

> > Hangout mailing list

> > Hangout-at-nylxs.com

> > http://lists.mrbrklyn.com/mailman/listinfo/hangout





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  12. 2023-04-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] New C Programming standards
  13. 2023-04-10 From: "American Numismatic Society" <membership-at-numismatics.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] =?utf-8?q?This_week_at_the_ANS=E2=80=94April_1?=
  14. 2023-04-15 ruth02-at-web.de Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Ancestry: Why ANONYMOUS testing NOT ALLOWED ??
  15. 2023-04-15 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Ancestry: Why ANONYMOUS testing NOT ALLOWED ??
  16. 2023-04-15 ruth02-at-web.de Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Ancestry: Why ANONYMOUS testing NOT ALLOWED
  17. 2023-04-15 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Ancestry: Why ANONYMOUS testing NOT ALLOWED
  18. 2023-04-15 ruth02-at-web.de Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Ancestry: interested in is where all my
  19. 2023-04-15 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Ancestry: Why ANONYMOUS testing NOT ALLOWED
  20. 2023-04-15 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Ancestry: Why ANONYMOUS testing NOT ALLOWED
  21. 2023-04-16 Aviva <aviva-at-gmx.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Ancestry: interested in is where all my
  22. 2023-04-16 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Ancestry: Why ANONYMOUS testing NOT ALLOWED
  23. 2023-04-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Ancestry: Why ANONYMOUS testing NOT ALLOWED
  24. 2023-04-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Ancestry: Why ANONYMOUS testing NOT ALLOWED
  25. 2023-04-16 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Ancestry: Why ANONYMOUS testing NOT ALLOWED
  26. 2023-04-16 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Ancestry: interested in is where all my
  27. 2023-04-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Ancestry: Why ANONYMOUS testing NOT ALLOWED
  28. 2023-04-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Ancestry: interested in is where all my
  29. 2023-04-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fishing Trip on Wednesday
  30. 2023-04-17 ruth02-at-web.de Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Ancestry: have still not heard an explanation
  31. 2023-04-18 ruth02-at-web.de Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Ancestry: *** Being so tracked is for FARM
  32. 2023-04-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Chinese invasion of NYC has begun?
  33. 2023-04-18 Aviva <aviva-at-gmx.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Ancestry: *** Being so tracked is for FARM
  34. 2023-04-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] This is real...
  35. 2023-04-19 From: "Indeed" <alert-at-indeed.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The Metropolitan Museum of Art is hiring for
  36. 2023-04-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] =?utf-8?q?CFPB_Says_Staffer_Sent_250=2C000_Con?=
  37. 2023-04-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] AI survalience in full swing at sporting events
  38. 2023-04-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Apple Inc - the ultimate patent troll
  39. 2023-04-21 From: "American Numismatic Society" <membership-at-numismatics.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Join us for today's Long Table with Andrew
  40. 2023-04-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Ancestry: *** Being so tracked is for FARM
  41. 2023-04-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Whyh do planes not crash?
  42. 2023-04-25 From: "Free Software Foundation" <info-at-fsf.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Call on the IRS to provide libre tax-filing
  43. 2023-04-30 Rabbinical Seminary of America <info-at-rsa30k.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Win $30,000 and SIX tickets to Eretz Yisroel!

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