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| DATE | 2005-09-16 |
| FROM | Ruben Safir
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| SUBJECT | Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Saturday 17 September 2005 NYCBSDCon at Columbia
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On Fri, 2005-09-16 at 22:14, Ron Guerin wrote:
> Ruben Safir wrote:
> >
> > What happened to Orgcom was you.
>
> Aside from that being better discussed off-list between you and who you
> think the guilty parties are, I was at an Orgcom meeting and that was
> all it took to tell it was a doomed affair. It's not fair to blame any
> one person for that, as there were quite obviously a lot of people
> dedicated to making sure it went both nowhere and wildly out of focus.
>
I'll agree with you that Jay was not alone in sinking that effort. He
just took a triple portion. The ground work for its demise was planted
even before the main feast at the Expo that winter. The back stabbing
politiking, selfish agendas not related to the main task at all, etc
boiled over by the second meeting when Adam Kosmin came back to NYLXS
and announced orgcom and useless. I was begging with him to see it out
and to try to build a working core, and otherwise to see if anyone would
be still standing after the initial and inevitable fall out.
> I don't know about you, but I actually learned some important lessons
> from that fiasco,
I had already learned all those lessons from the months prior to that.
We used to get phone calls to numerous members of NYLXS at 3AM over
disputes by certain individuals involved in the later orgcom mess.
In addition, I'd learned that once the negative feelings genie is out of
the bottle, it is very difficult to contain it and it tends to spread
and grow in unanticipated ways within a group.
Lastly I learns that not everyone can be as dedicated as i am to a
cause, let alone to sticking to a developed and agreed upon plan.
> and I feel bad for the people who put a lot of time
> into trying to make it work. I hope they didn't end up vowing never to
> participate in a community-wide effort again.
>
Maybe. The good thing is that there is always fresh meat.
Ruben
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