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DATE 2007-03-15
FROM Ron Guerin
SUBJECT Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Nokia N800 Quick Review
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Ruben Safir wrote:
> Up until now I'm very disappointed wih the Nokia Tablet we won
> at the launching. For the like of me I can't understand why there
> is no shell or xterm. The first thing my daughter said when she picked
> it up was "How do I get the terminal". Unfortunately, that has been
> the highlight of the devices use thus far. It is a PIA and locked down.

No, it's not locked-down (see below), Nokia actually wants you to write
apps for it. What they're apparently not looking to have you do is
reflash the unit with something other than their image, but that's
beside the point of this discussion.

> How can you install even an SSH client without a damn terminal?

Sorry I'm so late in catching up here. First, before you argue with me,
let's get one thing clear, I don't agree with Nokia's choices. I would
have put the terminal program in there for you if I were Nokia. That
said, I understand what they've done and it's easy to explain. They
obviously don't want "Joe User" running into anything vaguely looking
like a PC. The device is supposed to have that kind of Apple-ish thing
that appeals to people who have fear and loathing of accidentally
falling into a shell.

Ok, so now that you understand what they're doing, feel free to send
them some feedback telling them they got it wrong. I'd agree with that.
It *is* a PIA to customize it, but not because Nokia doesn't want you
to. They have a whole community web site about it. It's a PIA because
you have to go out to the Internet and find the community site, and it's
a lot less convenient than it should be since I doubt people are really
going to buy the thing to run just the installed software, which I
personally find completely uninteresting, other than the browser and the
FM radio. Oh, did you know there's an FM radio in it?

http://maemo.org
http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationCatalog2006

And here's what you're really looking for:

http://maemo-hackers.org/

Red pill or blue pill, Ruben?

http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationManagerRedPillMode

- Ron

  1. 2007-03-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Nokia N800 Quick Review
  2. 2007-03-01 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Edison - This Weekend
  3. 2007-03-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Edison - This Weekend
  4. 2007-03-01 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Job Recruiters
  5. 2007-03-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Job Recruiters
  6. 2007-03-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Job Recruiters
  7. 2007-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Something worth viewing
  8. 2007-03-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [legcalendar-at-council.nyc.ny.us: City Council Calendar for Monday, March 5, 2007 - Sunday, March 11, 2007]
  9. 2007-03-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [meissner-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: samba remote denial of service (SUSE-SA:2007:016)]
  10. 2007-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [jim-at-well.com: Re: [balug-talk] [fwd] FLOSS Usability IV -- March 9-11, 2007 [Mountain View]]
  11. 2007-03-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [bruce.lai-at-council.nyc.ny.us: E-Update for the Committee on Technology in Government of the New York City Council (March 5, 2007).]
  12. 2007-03-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [rebuild-at-twintowersalliance.com: The Twin Towers Alliance -- People United To Rebuild The Twin Towers]
  13. 2007-03-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [josue-at-mayfirst.org: [501techclub-ny] ElderResourceNYC.com needs a Web Manager]
  14. 2007-03-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Bad News or Voice over IP
  15. 2007-03-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Bad News or Voice over IP
  16. 2007-03-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Why make a real library...
  17. 2007-03-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The Revolution is not be broadcast...
  18. 2007-03-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] To Google is theft
  19. 2007-03-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [auto_agent-at-jobcircle.com: JobCircle Weekly Summary of New Jobs]
  20. 2007-03-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Lake Placid Photo's
  21. 2007-03-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Freedom-IT and Lake Placid
  22. 2007-03-12 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Lake Placid Photo's
  23. 2007-03-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Lake Placid Photo's
  24. 2007-03-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Lake Placid Photo's
  25. 2007-03-12 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] FSM newsletter: FSM Newsletter 12th of March 2007
  26. 2007-03-13 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Lake Placid Photo's
  27. 2007-03-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Meeting Date?
  28. 2007-03-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [dcrosta-at-sccs.swarthmore.edu: [nylug-talk] Volunteer in NYC]
  29. 2007-03-15 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Nokia N800 Quick Review
  30. 2007-03-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [seth.johnson-at-RealMeasures.dyndns.org: [Discuss] Internet Society of New York Comments on FTC's NN Proceeding]
  31. 2007-03-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] USBFS
  32. 2007-03-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Ira from NYLUG
  33. 2007-03-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: router hack article
  34. 2007-03-21 Michael Richardson <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Meeting Announcement - please RSVP
  35. 2007-03-21 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] TODAY! NYLUG Wednesday 21 March General Meeting Presents: Ira Hyman
  36. 2007-03-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Meeting Announcement - please RSVP
  37. 2007-03-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [osbc-at-idg.com: OSBC: Is the Novell-Microsoft deal good for open source]
  38. 2007-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Passover
  39. 2007-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [docs-newsletter-at-ssc.com: SuitWatch - March 21]
  40. 2007-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [events-at-flaggmgmt.com: Major speakers and sponsors for 2007 Linux on Wall Street, April 23, NYC.]
  41. 2007-03-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Passover
  42. 2007-03-27 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] FSM newsletter: FSM Newsletter 26th of March 2007
  43. 2007-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] More Jobs - market is heating up
  44. 2007-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] And Gigs
  45. 2007-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Job placement - GNU
  46. 2007-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] More Jobs
  47. 2007-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] More Work avialable
  48. 2007-03-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Small gig

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