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DATE	2009-05-31
FROM	Ronny Abraham
SUBJECT	Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] postfix mailman and bulk email
From lest-hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com Sun May 31 14:09:11 2009 Received: from www2.mrbrklyn.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www2.mrbrklyn.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/SuSE Linux 0.7) with ESMTP id n4VI98SG006292 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 14:09:10 -0400 Received: (from majordomo-at-localhost) by www2.mrbrklyn.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id n4VI98KM006291 for hangout-outgoings; Sun, 31 May 2009 14:09:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: www2.mrbrklyn.com: majordomo set sender to lest-hangout-at-nylxs.com using -f Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.30]) by www2.mrbrklyn.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/SuSE Linux 0.7) with ESMTP id n4VI95F4006288 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 14:09:07 -0400 Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so3290219ywe.11 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 11:09:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Yc6g0LGS0Sn2vWT6KTct0Cyjo4OLzPU9SljN1CWgQds=; b=SctyqgzGUKb87FtkS3UmNQ3zly0tasIyqyP6gOazDTpEv2GUf9Aa77yJK7jcgMUDui ob5dY0VYuVP8iIIU0VUazrMPY+E2U5GvZkPilCNc49/u02bRmMUfhLV1/fIEouM1Qy8T Apm5VEPJnkLHz85CXCSgCAJjiqGsYY35wp74s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=BtNN1kwrN5bSYDbFRT6CtmvNW/TjDq5lGvgLmCxk+Zf3c5UsAnv09Se4+uToDV3bpK /2JiEBN19lqnyv3lwPKsxNzJIkSW7gVKqhf++T4Dy1YTis4PvbCrzUaLDrFePqChgvQz fmErIDoVcjUTYFxHvY6l0WHVHY4nU0BEfXzkY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.40.4 with SMTP id i4mr1387823ibe.18.1243793344696; Sun, 31 May 2009 11:09:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A22B694.6010601-at-dorsai.org> References: <7405d1440905310515nc3229e1i3cd8b7288c4e36ef-at-mail.gmail.com> <4A227EBC.4030602-at-vnetworx.net> <7405d1440905310608p158533fchd8821b0f57bb75e5-at-mail.gmail.com> <4A2283EC.8070006-at-vnetworx.net> <4A22B694.6010601-at-dorsai.org> Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 21:09:04 +0300 Message-ID: <7405d1440905311109x3f2ace3dlf602cf5b417d16a0-at-mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] postfix mailman and bulk email From: Ronny Abraham To: hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032557541e7c12d7046b3934e2 Sender: lest-hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com --00032557541e7c12d7046b3934e2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mailman it is! Can anyone recommend a good doc on it? I can always look at the docs on http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/index.html But if anyone can recommend something better, I'd be grateful. -ron On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Matthew wrote: > I just migrated some mailing lists to mailman. It really is done decently. > Once it is setup, you manage it with a webpage and it will change the > aliases and work fine. > Adding/removing people unfortunately seems like it has to be done with > their software > as the list is held in a db format. > > Matthew > > > Ron Guerin wrote: > >> Ronny Abraham wrote: >> >> >>> I was thinking that worst comes to worst, I'd do it from scratch using >>> forms, html, and python (with a host that has mysql and sendmail). >>> >>> >> >> One of the biggest mistakes people make on the Internet is thinking that >> writing a MLM (Mailing List Manager) is trivial. Doing it right is >> non-trivial. Better to use one written by people who know the rules of >> the road than either ignoring the rules of the road or trying to learn >> them all. The latter is how mail servers and domains get blacklisted. >> >> - Ron >> >> >> >> > > --00032557541e7c12d7046b3934e2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mailman it is! Can anyone recommend a good doc on i= t?=A0 I can always look at the docs on g/software/mailman/index.html">http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/index.ht= ml But if anyone can recommend something better, I'd be grateful. <= br>-ron On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 7:55 PM, = Matthew <mph-at-dorsai.= org> wrote: 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">I just migrated s= ome mailing lists to mailman. =A0It really is done decently. Once it is setup, you manage it with a webpage and it will change the alias= es and work fine. Adding/removing people unfortunately seems like it has to be done with thei= r software as the list is held in a db format. Matthew Ron Guerin wrote: 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Ronny Abraham wrote: =A0 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> I was thinking that worst comes to worst, I'd do it from scratch using<= br> forms, html, and python (with a host that has mysql and sendmail). =A0 =A0 One of the biggest mistakes people make on the Internet is thinking that> writing a MLM (Mailing List Manager) is trivial. =A0Doing it right is non-trivial. =A0Better to use one written by people who know the rules ofr> the road than either ignoring the rules of the road or trying to learn them all. =A0The latter is how mail servers and domains get blacklisted.> - Ron =A0 --00032557541e7c12d7046b3934e2-- --00032557541e7c12d7046b3934e2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mailman it is! Can anyone recommend a good doc on it? I can always look at the docs on http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/index.html But if anyone can recommend something better, I'd be grateful. -ron On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Matthew wrote: > I just migrated some mailing lists to mailman. It really is done decently. > Once it is setup, you manage it with a webpage and it will change the > aliases and work fine. > Adding/removing people unfortunately seems like it has to be done with > their software > as the list is held in a db format. > > Matthew > > > Ron Guerin wrote: > >> Ronny Abraham wrote: >> >> >>> I was thinking that worst comes to worst, I'd do it from scratch using >>> forms, html, and python (with a host that has mysql and sendmail). >>> >>> >> >> One of the biggest mistakes people make on the Internet is thinking that >> writing a MLM (Mailing List Manager) is trivial. Doing it right is >> non-trivial. Better to use one written by people who know the rules of >> the road than either ignoring the rules of the road or trying to learn >> them all. The latter is how mail servers and domains get blacklisted. >> >> - Ron >> >> >> >> > > --00032557541e7c12d7046b3934e2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mailman it is! Can anyone recommend a good doc on i= t?=A0 I can always look at the docs on g/software/mailman/index.html">http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/index.ht= ml But if anyone can recommend something better, I'd be grateful. <= br>-ron On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 7:55 PM, = Matthew <mph-at-dorsai.= org> wrote: 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">I just migrated s= ome mailing lists to mailman. =A0It really is done decently. Once it is setup, you manage it with a webpage and it will change the alias= es and work fine. Adding/removing people unfortunately seems like it has to be done with thei= r software as the list is held in a db format. Matthew Ron Guerin wrote: 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Ronny Abraham wrote: =A0 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> I was thinking that worst comes to worst, I'd do it from scratch using<= br> forms, html, and python (with a host that has mysql and sendmail). =A0 =A0 One of the biggest mistakes people make on the Internet is thinking that> writing a MLM (Mailing List Manager) is trivial. =A0Doing it right is non-trivial. =A0Better to use one written by people who know the rules ofr> the road than either ignoring the rules of the road or trying to learn them all. =A0The latter is how mail servers and domains get blacklisted.> - Ron =A0 --00032557541e7c12d7046b3934e2--