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DATE 2016-09-12
FROM Amy Rothenberg
SUBJECT Re: [Learn] LIU Lock Out
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Hi Ruben,
Yes, I hope that it is resolved soon. =


-----Original Message-----
From: Ruben Safir [mailto:ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com] =

Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 8:36 PM
To: learn-at-nylxs.com
Subject: LIU Lock Out

Eric Krasnoff
Chair of Long Island University
700 Northern Blvd
Brookville, NY 11548

Dear Mr Krasnoff

I=E2=80=99m a student at LIU/Brooklyn in the Masters Degree program for Com=
puter Sciences. I=E2=80=99ve attended LIU since 1986 when I entered and gr=
aduated the Pharmacy Program. I also attended the PhD Program in Pharmaceu=
tics and
now I am 2 years into my Masters in Comp Sci. In my time within the
Comp Sci program, I=E2=80=99ve often wondered whether the program should be=
accredited. The moral with the faculty and student body has been often ve=
ry negative. When I asked about course work which is normally part of Comp=
uter Science programs, areas such as discrete mathematics, compiler theory=
, and parallel programming, I=E2=80=99ve been told that our school doesn=
=E2=80=99t have a student body that can do these classes. Other times I=E2=
=80=99ve been told that I shouldn=E2=80=99t expect such a quality education=
from LIU, and switch to an engineering institution like PolyTech, or that =
our students don=E2=80=99t =E2=80=9Cprogram=E2=80=9D.

What has kept me going is that the response to these opinions has been that=
the Chair of the department, in collaboration with faculty have pushed the=
se intensive subjects back into the program. They offered compiler theory =
last semester and this semester offered Parallel programming in C. The Net=
working class added an extensive section on cryptography. There has been a=
greater push for quality and it has been appreciated.

That is until now.

You fired your faculty leaving me signed up with a parallel programming cla=
ss without a qualified faculty. Furthermore, the same unqualified professo=
r has said that he will not teach the Special Topics in
Programming on a graduate school level. I am in disbelief that after
all this work, we are now working with an unqualified professor who is unfa=
miliar with the advanced topics that we are pursuing in Graduate School, an=
d refuses to even make an effort to ramp up to the topics.
Instead he is planning on teaching on a Community College level these advan=
ced classes.

I=E2=80=99m tired of fighting both the negativism and the politics that boi=
l over at this university. I=E2=80=99m calling on you to immediately inter=
vene in the current labor dispute and save the schools accreditation and re=
putation. It is time to replace all the recrimination and Nay Sayers with =
a =E2=80=9CCan Do=E2=80=9D attitude, and that starts with ending the lock o=
ut right away.

There is nothing to be gained with this lock out at this point, even if the=
re ever was. The union is in no position to go on strike after protesting =
how they love their jobs and students, as they have been with such verbiage=
of pretentious doting for the last 2 weeks. This labor dispute has to sto=
p upsetting and leaking into the classroom NOW.

It is a farce for the administration to say that the student experience is =
not being interrupted. That deceit must also end NOW. It is malicious, ca=
lculating and cruel. The administration needs to apologize to the student =
body for the lock out. And the faculty must also likewise make such apolog=
ies and rededicate themselves to the welfare of students which they ostenta=
tiously venerate, instead of disrupting
semesters for their pockets and egos. And then you need to reschedule
the lost weeks of real education. You will need to figure out how to expen=
se that, without putting it on the backs of students. The students are the=
innocent bystanders here. They are tied to the school because of a combin=
ation of student aid regulations, visa issue and other arraignments. Whoev=
er wins this labor dispute, in the end students lose.


Ruben Safir
1580 East 19th Street
Apt 1E
Brooklyn, NY 11230

CC: Ex Officer Kimberly Cline, Governor Cuomo, Paul Thompson NYS Departmen=
t of Education, Liz Robbins NY Times, Dean Edward Rogoff
So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like At=
lantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safi=
r 1998 http://www.mrbrklyn.com

DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 http://www.nylxs.com=
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Learn mailing list

  1. 2016-09-01 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Learn] Fwd: LIU CS course
  2. 2016-09-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Learn] LIU Brooklyn Student Update
  3. 2016-09-04 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Learn] LIU Brooklyn Student Update
  4. 2016-09-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] LIU Lockout
  5. 2016-09-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] LIU Computer Sciences
  6. 2016-09-10 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Learn] LIU Lock Out
  7. 2016-09-10 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Learn] [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: LIU Lock Out
  8. 2016-09-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] LIU Lock Out
  9. 2016-09-12 Amy Rothenberg <Amy.Rothenberg-at-liu.edu> Re: [Learn] LIU Lock Out
  10. 2016-09-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] Fwd: [isoc-ny] ISOC-NY joins coalition of groups supporting
  11. 2016-09-14 From: "Ruben.Safir" <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Learn] Fwd: Calendar Update
  12. 2016-09-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] Fwd: Re: Thesis option
  13. 2016-09-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Learn] Fossil computational oppurtunities
  14. 2016-09-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] Fossil computational oppurtunities
  15. 2016-09-22 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Learn] Sad News
  16. 2016-09-23 Christopher League <league-at-contrapunctus.net> Re: [Learn] Thesis - topic Machine learning in the determination of
  17. 2016-09-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] Thesis - topic Machine learning in the determination of the
  18. 2016-09-25 ruben safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Learn] Cladistics and Computational Math
  19. 2016-09-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Learn] Thesis
  20. 2016-09-25 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Learn] Thesis - topic Machine learning in the determination of
  21. 2016-09-25 ruben safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] Fwd: Cladistics and Computational Math
  22. 2016-09-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Learn] Proposed Thesis
  23. 2016-09-26 Jon Tennant <jon.tennant.2-at-gmail.com> Re: [Learn] Proposed Thesis
  24. 2016-09-26 Jon Tennant <jon.tennant.2-at-gmail.com> Re: [Learn] Proposed Thesis
  25. 2016-09-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Learn] Proposed Thesis
  26. 2016-09-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] Proposed Thesis
  27. 2016-09-27 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Learn] phylip
  28. 2016-09-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] phylip
  29. 2016-09-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] t-rex web server
  30. 2016-09-28 From: "Pinsdorf, Michelle" <PinsdorfM-at-si.edu> Re: [Learn] little can be better
  31. 2016-09-28 From: "Pinsdorf, Michelle" <PinsdorfM-at-si.edu> Re: [Learn] little can be better
  32. 2016-09-28 league-at-contrapunctus.net Re: [Learn] meet up for thesis?
  33. 2016-09-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Learn] meet up for thesis?
  34. 2016-09-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Learn] meet up for thesis?
  35. 2016-09-28 Maneesh Kongara <maneeshkongara-at-gmail.com> Re: [Learn] meet up for thesis?
  36. 2016-09-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Learn] meet up for thesis?
  37. 2016-09-28 Christopher League <league-at-contrapunctus.net> Re: [Learn] Thesis - topic Machine learning in the determination of
  38. 2016-09-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] meet up for thesis?
  39. 2016-09-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] Notice: Learn Mailing List for LIU
  40. 2016-09-28 Ben Creisler <bcreisler-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Learn] [dinosaur] T. rex tail CT scan + Utahraptor quicksand death
  41. 2016-09-28 Ben Creisler <bcreisler-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Learn] [dinosaur] T. rex tail CT scan + Utahraptor quicksand death
  42. 2016-09-29 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Learn] Announcing LIU Votes 2016!
  43. 2016-09-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Learn] phylogenetics
  44. 2016-09-29 Jon Tennant <jon.tennant.2-at-gmail.com> Re: [Learn] phylogenetics
  45. 2016-09-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] two textbooks
  46. 2016-09-30 league-at-contrapunctus.net Re: [Learn] Thesis data
  47. 2016-09-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Learn] Thesis data
  48. 2016-09-30 league-at-contrapunctus.net Re: [Learn] Thesis data
  49. 2016-09-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Learn] Thesis data

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