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On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 03:07:27 +0530, Himanshu Jha said:

> Now, this part of section is really important and somehow if you think
> you really learnt C well in the course offered at University. Then
> please take a look at implicit conversions:
> https://en.cppreference.com/w/c/language/conversion
>
> assert(sizeof(int) > -1);
>
> That should be enough to shatter your confidence.

If you want your confidence shaken:

https://www.lysator.liu.se/c/duffs-device.html

Fortunately, most maintainers will frown on stuff like that unless there's
a *damned* good reason - and Tom Duff had a very good reason indeed.

(Intro-to-c pop quiz - why is strcpy() not usable here?)

gcc 8.1.1 will accept Tom's code (with 3 warnings due to it
being pre-ANSI C).

For those who took a class on compiler design, and *think* they
know how LALR parsers and that stuff works - Examine the lexical
nesting of that, and figure out how the devil the compiler doesn't
get indigestion.. :)

And the K&R book on C does successive trimming of an strcpy(),
and finishes with

void strcpy(char *a, *b) { while (*a++ = *b++); }

The thing that's actually used a lot in the Linux kernel that gives
a lot of C newcomers heartburn is the widespread use of
structures of function pointers.. For example, this from include/linux/fs.h:

struct lock_manager_operations {
int (*lm_compare_owner)(struct file_lock *, struct file_lock *);
unsigned long (*lm_owner_key)(struct file_lock *);
fl_owner_t (*lm_get_owner)(fl_owner_t);
void (*lm_put_owner)(fl_owner_t);
void (*lm_notify)(struct file_lock *); /* unblock callback */
int (*lm_grant)(struct file_lock *, int);
bool (*lm_break)(struct file_lock *);
int (*lm_change)(struct file_lock *, int, struct list_head *);
void (*lm_setup)(struct file_lock *, void **);
};

That's the structure definition. Novice challenge: Find one or more places
where this structure is initialized, and understand how and why that works.

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On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 03:07:27 +0530, Himanshu Jha said:

> Now, this part of section is really important and somehow if you think
> you really learnt C well in the course offered at University. Then
> please take a look at implicit conversions:
> https://en.cppreference.com/w/c/language/conversion
>
> assert(sizeof(int) > -1);
>
> That should be enough to shatter your confidence.

If you want your confidence shaken:

https://www.lysator.liu.se/c/duffs-device.html

Fortunately, most maintainers will frown on stuff like that unless there's
a *damned* good reason - and Tom Duff had a very good reason indeed.

(Intro-to-c pop quiz - why is strcpy() not usable here?)

gcc 8.1.1 will accept Tom's code (with 3 warnings due to it
being pre-ANSI C).

For those who took a class on compiler design, and *think* they
know how LALR parsers and that stuff works - Examine the lexical
nesting of that, and figure out how the devil the compiler doesn't
get indigestion.. :)

And the K&R book on C does successive trimming of an strcpy(),
and finishes with

void strcpy(char *a, *b) { while (*a++ = *b++); }

The thing that's actually used a lot in the Linux kernel that gives
a lot of C newcomers heartburn is the widespread use of
structures of function pointers.. For example, this from include/linux/fs.h:

struct lock_manager_operations {
int (*lm_compare_owner)(struct file_lock *, struct file_lock *);
unsigned long (*lm_owner_key)(struct file_lock *);
fl_owner_t (*lm_get_owner)(fl_owner_t);
void (*lm_put_owner)(fl_owner_t);
void (*lm_notify)(struct file_lock *); /* unblock callback */
int (*lm_grant)(struct file_lock *, int);
bool (*lm_break)(struct file_lock *);
int (*lm_change)(struct file_lock *, int, struct list_head *);
void (*lm_setup)(struct file_lock *, void **);
};

That's the structure definition. Novice challenge: Find one or more places
where this structure is initialized, and understand how and why that works.

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  31. 2018-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Genetics made simple
  32. 2018-07-29 From: "S." <sman356-at-yahoo.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] See how this works: "No compatible source was
  33. 2018-07-29 Issac Goldstand <margol-at-beamartyr.net> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Israel.pm] Great article on opensource.com
  34. 2018-07-23 From: "Deutsch, Chaim" <CDeutsch-at-council.nyc.gov> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] THE DEUTSCH REPORT: News From Councilmember Chaim
  35. 2018-07-25 valdis.kletnieks-at-vt.edu Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Need Suggestions
  36. 2018-07-24 From: "Donald Robertson, III, FSF" <info-at-fsf.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The Free Software Directory needs you! IRC
  37. 2018-07-29 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #366 - The Future of Perl 5

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