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On 9/6/18 9:29 AM, Marcus Johnson wrote:
> >Relicensing without explicit approval of all copyright holders is not
> possible in general. It is possible only in a few exceptional cases.
> For example:
> * From GPLv2 to GPLv3 and from LGPLv2.1 to LGPLv3
> * From LGPLv2.1 to GPLv2 and from LGPLv3 to GPLv3
> * From 2-clause BSD to 3-clause BSD
> * From EUPL to GPL/LGPL/MPL/EPL/CPL/CeCILL
>
> And not much else.
>
> I understand this is a problem, LLVM is currently going through this
> issue, but I think it's worth at least considering it instead of just
> dismissing it as infeasible off hand.
>
> Does anyone have any clue how many contributors there have been to libPNG?
>
> Ok, I cloned the git repo and ran `git shortlog --summary --numbered`
>
> There are only 5 contributors throughout the history of the libpng repo
>
> Here they are:
>
> Andreas Dilger
> Glenn Randers-Pehrson
> Guy Schalnat
> John Bowler
> Mans Rullgard
>
> Andreas Dilger has contributed 2089 commits, followed by John Bowler
> with 109, after that it's in the single digits commit count wise.
>
Please be cautious using commits to decide who is an author. Lack of
evidence for is not evidence against.  Does this repo actually go back
to the very beginnings of libpng?  Was there a previous repo (cvs, svn,
...) where not all history was migrated to git?  Is it possible there
was a code review process where the actual author was not the one to
actually do the git commit?  (I believe git can distinguish committer
from author, although it isn't often used.)  Are there messages in the
mailing list archives that indicate early authorship?  I don't know
anything about the history of libpng, but I point this out because I
just went through a similar process on a different project.

Jack


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On 9/6/18 9:29 AM, Marcus Johnson
wrote:


cite="mid:CAFWGNQW9JjnLUpDZ+zS4sEj+kBW0=j7=JVSNHJNKvgU890fyhA-at-mail.gmail.com">





> style="font:400 13.33px/19.99px
Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;display:inline;white-space:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:100%;float:none;background-color:transparent">Relicensing
without explicit approval of all copyright holders is
not

possible
in general. It is possible only in a few exceptional
cases.


For
example:


*
From GPLv2 to GPLv3 and from LGPLv2.1 to LGPLv3
style="font:400 13.33px/19.99px
Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;overflow:visible;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:100%;background-color:transparent">
*
From LGPLv2.1 to GPLv2 and from LGPLv3 to GPLv3
style="font:400 13.33px/19.99px
Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;overflow:visible;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:100%;background-color:transparent">
*
From 2-clause BSD to 3-clause BSD
style="font:400 13.33px/19.99px
Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;overflow:visible;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:100%;background-color:transparent">
*
From EUPL to GPL/LGPL/MPL/EPL/CPL/CeCILL
style="font:400 13.33px/19.99px
Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;overflow:visible;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:100%;background-color:transparent">
style="font:400 13.33px/19.99px
Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;text-align:left;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;overflow:visible;text-decoration:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:100%;background-color:transparent">
And
not much else.



I understand this is a problem, LLVM is currently
going through this issue, but I think it's worth at
least considering it instead of just dismissing it as
infeasible off hand.



Does anyone have any clue how many contributors there
have been to libPNG?




Ok, I cloned the git repo and ran `git shortlog
--summary --numbered`




There are only 5 contributors throughout the history
of the libpng repo



Here they are:



Andreas Dilger

Glenn Randers-Pehrson

Guy Schalnat

John Bowler

Mans Rullgard



Andreas Dilger has contributed 2089 commits, followed
by John Bowler with 109, after that it's in the single
digits commit count wise.










Please be cautious using commits to decide who is an author. 
Lack of evidence for is not evidence against.  Does this repo
actually go back to the very beginnings of libpng?  Was there a
previous repo (cvs, svn, ...) where not all history was migrated
to git?  Is it possible there was a code review process where the
actual author was not the one to actually do the git commit?  (I
believe git can distinguish committer from author, although it
isn't often used.)  Are there messages in the mailing list
archives that indicate early authorship?  I don't know anything
about the history of libpng, but I point this out because I just
went through a similar process on a different project. 


Jack





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  20. 2018-09-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Engineering and Ethics - IEEE catches up with Dr
  21. 2018-09-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] 9-11
  22. 2018-09-13 IEEE Engineering in Medicine and Biology Society <noreply-at-embs.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] 9th International Conference on Neural Engineering
  23. 2018-09-15 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Catcher in the Rye - Movie of the week
  24. 2018-09-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Election Choices
  25. 2018-09-17 From: "Deutsch, Chaim" <CDeutsch-at-council.nyc.gov> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] THE DEUTSCH REPORT: News From Councilmember Chaim
  26. 2018-09-17 From: "Graduate Center, CUNY Admissions Office" <admissions-at-gc.cuny.edu> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] =?utf-8?q?Mathematics_Seminars_Bulletin=3A_Upco?=
  27. 2018-09-17 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #373 - YEF: Ctrl-Alt-Del
  28. 2018-09-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Insane Story .... great laugh
  29. 2018-09-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Anyone know this company?
  30. 2018-09-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Robin WIlliams on Supreme Court Hearings

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