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DATE 2021-11-14
FROM Joel Rees via gimp-user-list
SUBJECT Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Update blocked by trend micro
On Sun, Nov 14, 2021 at 1:00 PM Baz Shaw wrote:
>
> Here is the report
>
> Report from Trend Micro antivirus during download:
>
> Time: 11/11/2021 16:36
> File: gimp-2.20.28-setup.exe-part
> Threat: TSPY.Win32.TRX.XXPE50FSX016E0002
> Action: Quarantined

Putting quotes around that and doing a web search yields no results.
If Trend Micro has a specific record for this, they haven't published
it, or it's really new.

Best thing to do is contact them and see if they are willing to share
what they have.

This similar report on the language Go may shed some light for you, BTW:

https://github.com/golang/go/issues/45191

Note the phrase "out of an abundance of caution".

I would use other words, such as "lazy", but I don't know if that
would or should put your mind at ease. You don't know me from Adam,
and I don't regularly respond on this list.

But I'll tell you what I go through when I prepare to install
free/libre software:

(1) Do I trust the developer(s)?

If not, I don't even download. I go looking for another alternative.

In the GIMP's case, I've been watching the community long enough to
trust the developers enough to install it if i think it hasn't been
tampered with.

(2) So it comes down to detecting tampering.

(2a) Is the download available on HTTPS servers?

The URLs for the website for downloading the GIMP start with HTTPS,
starting from here:

https://www.gimp.org/downloads/

If it isn't showing you the download information for MSWIndows, you
can click the button for MSWindows. (I assume you want that, since
your URL ended in .exe.)

HTTPS (as opposed to unencrypted HTTP) gives a fairly high degree of
confidence that the owners and operators of the web site is who they
say they are, and that what you download makes it to your computer
safely. For many people it's enough. For me, it helps.

In addition, if you have a torrent client, they provide a link for
torrent download on the MSWindows version download page. Torrent
download is a bit more secure than simple download, for what it's
worth.

(2b) Do they make checksums available?

The GIMP makes checksums available, publishing the checksum for the
MSWIndows download on the download page underneath the download
buttons. The current checksum (SHA256) is

2c2e081ce541682be1abdd8bc6df13768ad9482d68000b4a7a60c764d6cec74e

You can use the certutil.exe utility in MSWindows to check that from a
shell or powershell window. The command is

certutil -hashfile filename SHA256

I think. (I'll try to check tonight or later this week.) Substitute
the name of the file, "gimp-2.10.28-setup.exe" for "filename", of
course. Also, make sure you are in the download directory before you
issue the command.

Below the checksum, the site gives a link to VirusTotal, which you can
use to check whether vendors are blacklisting this particular
checksum. But if you do that, copy the entire checksum and use your
search engine to go direct to VirusTotal and paste the checksum in.
That way, in the very slight chance that you are seeing a spoof of the
GIMP's website, you avoid the possibility of jumping to a spoofed
VirusTotal, as well. I'm not sure how useful that information is, but
some will find it useful.

If you're worried that the download page is being spoofed by a
man-in-the-middle, and that the checksum is faked, there is a way to
get some confidence that is not the case.

Run down the download page to the source code download section and
find the link to the mirrors. Look through the list of mirrors and
pick one at random.

I happen to be familiar with the XMission mirror in the US, so I'll
use that as an example. Search the web for XMission and note the URL.
Open the site and copy the domain name:

https://xmission.com

Use right-click to copy (don't jump to) the link in the mirrors list:

https://mirrors.xmission.com/

Note that the xmission.com domain name is the same. Now you can paste
the domain name into the URL blank of your browser and go to their
downloads section and be pretty sure your safe from everything but a
look-ahead DNS poisoning.

Drill down into the gimp section, into the gimp section of that, into
the current version (2.10) and into the windows section of that. For
the XMission mirror, the URL you end up at is

https://mirrors.xmission.com/gimp/gimp/v2.10/windows/

From there, you can download the SHA256SUMS file, save it on your
computer, open it with a text editor, and look at the line for
gimp-2.10.28-setup.exe (the last line right now).

Copy the checksum from the web page and paste it below that line like this:

2c2e081ce541682be1abdd8bc6df13768ad9482d68000b4a7a60c764d6cec74e
gimp-2.10.28-setup.exe
2c2e081ce541682be1abdd8bc6df13768ad9482d68000b4a7a60c764d6cec74e

and you can visually check that the checksums are the same.

If you need even more assurance, try one or two more, and you have two
or three witnesses that the checksum is valid.

To recap, what I've walked you through is a way to get more than one
witness that you got what the GIMP project put up there for you,
which, if you trust the project, should be enough to trust the
download, even if random security vendor is too lazy to be sure that
it isn't giving false positives on free/libre software.

> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 13, 2021, at 7:42 PM, Joel Rees via gimp-user-list wrote:
>
> On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 7:21 AM James Moe via gimp-user-list
> wrote:
>
>
> On 2021-11-11 15:02, Baz Shaw wrote:
>
>
> I just tried to download the latest update from
>
>
> https://download.gimp.org/mirror/pub/gimp/v2.10/windows/gimp-2.10.28-setup.exe
>
> It was blocked by trend micro with this report:
>
>
> Report was removed?
>
>
> It would be interesting to see the actual report.
>
> Is "trend micro" a firewall product?
>
>
> Trend Micro is a Japanese company specializing cyber security, FWIW.
>
> If so, you may need to whitelist gimp.org.
>
>
> Yeah.
>
> Or if Baz wants to be a little more sure that there is no
> man-in-the-middle or DNS cache poisoning, explicitly identifying
> mirrors and checking their stated checksums for the download against
> the checksum he gets on what he downloaded can give a reasonable level
> of confidence. When I do that, it takes me an hour or two of hunting
> around the web for the mirrors and the checksums and digging up the
> MSWindows command.
>
> (I've posted a page somewhere to remind myself and forgotten where I
> posted it, so I usually end up looking for it on Microsoft's sites
> again. FCIV is old news, BTW. Here's the command:
>
> certutil -hashfile filename MD5
>
> or whatever. But SHA-1 is better than MD5.)
>
> --
> Joel Rees
>
> http://reiisi.blogspot.jp/p/novels-i-am-writing.html
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  82. 2021-11-22 G?bor Szab? <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #539 - Farewell to David H. Adler
  83. 2021-11-21 Alain Knaff via info-gnu <info-gnu-at-gnu.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] GNU mtools 4.0.36 released
  84. 2021-11-23 From: "nixCraft: Linux Tips, Hacks, Tutorials, Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] nixCraft Linux / UNIX Newsletter
  85. 2021-11-23 Susan Rose <socialmedia-at-ohiolinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] OLF Conference- you are invited
  86. 2021-11-23 IEEE Engineering in Medicine and Biology Society <noreply-at-embs.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Solicitation for Proposals: Biomedical Circuits
  87. 2021-11-23 From: "nixCraft: Linux Tips, Hacks, Tutorials, Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] nixCraft Linux / UNIX Newsletter
  88. 2021-11-24 IEEE Engineering in Medicine and Biology Society <noreply-at-embs.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] REGISTER NOW - IEEE 2nd International Workshop on
  89. 2021-11-24 IEEE Engineering in Medicine and Biology Society <noreply-at-embs.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] REGISTER NOW - IEEE 2nd International Workshop on
  90. 2021-11-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Your godday accounts are now officialled
  91. 2021-11-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] China loves the internet
  92. 2021-11-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Israeli Spyware under intense legal pressures.
  93. 2021-11-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Israeli Spyware under intense legal pressures.
  94. 2021-11-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Chrome Exploit
  95. 2021-11-25 From: "TheaterMania" <donotreply-at-email.theatermania.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Hugh Jackman and Sutton Foster Rehearse for Music
  96. 2021-11-25 Miss Belmar Princess <missbelmar-at-aol.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] CRAZY HOT STRIPER FISHING ON THE MISS BELMAR
  97. 2021-11-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Viruses are EVERYWHERE
  98. 2021-11-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] (fwd) CfC 26th Ada-Europe Int. Conf. Reliable
  99. 2021-11-29 G?bor Szab? <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #540 - 24 Pull Requests
  100. 2021-11-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Artifical Integence - nicely explained
  101. 2021-11-29 G?bor Szab? <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #540 - 24 Pull Requests
  102. 2021-11-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] China and the middle east
  103. 2021-11-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] covid education shutdowns
  104. 2021-11-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Broken Algorithms

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