MESSAGE
| DATE | 2019-10-12 |
| FROM | Jean Louis
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| SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Joint statement on the GNU Project
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Dear Ludovic,
Hello, how are you? I was on long travel, could not answer you earlier.
* Ludovic Courtès [2019-10-10 16:29]:
> Hi Jean-Louis,
>
> Jean Louis skribis:
>
> > * Ricardo Wurmus [2019-10-10 07:09]:
> >> I have previously asked you privately to stop spamming our mailing
> >> lists. I am asking you a second time publicly. If you keep disrupting
> >> our mailing lists your posts will be moderated.
> >
> > I cannot expect anything else from you.
>
> You’ve made your point now; I see you’ve even set up a web page to
> collect hatred messages against me.
I am sorry for your experience. I have not "setup the web page to
collect hatred messages against you". That you think that is my
purpose, that is your own opinion, but it is not.
I have set the page to show that there are people who think different
than you.
You have made your statement in public, and your statement introduces
other politics but free software politics into the GNU free software
spaces.
Guix is part of GNU project, and you are promoting your whatever other
politics. I do not know what exactly it is named, I think it is
feminism. Call it as you wish, because I am not interested in that
other politics. If I am interested I will read it.
GNU Project is not political. It is apolitical.
Did I ask you to tell me your facts to publish such opinions on GNU
Guix pages guix.gnu.org subdomain on GNU.ORG project?
Did you answer to me that it is because of abort() joke?
Here is the log proving so:
http://logs.guix.gnu.org/guix/2019-10-07.log
"you've probably seen a number of events, like the "glibc abort joke"
episode, the latest episode with MIT, and more"
So you are the one introducing thought-frames and you are organizing
Thougtpolice Squad and introducing other politics into GNU Project but
free software politics.
I don't care of your feminism, or contra-feminism issues. I simply
don't. I am supporting GNU project for reasons of
non-discrimination. For reasons that it is for everybody, regardless
of their opinions.
You mentioned "the recent MIT episode", but did you read the
rebuttals?
https://geoff.greer.fm/2019/09/30/in-defense-of-richard-stallman/
https://sterling-archermedes.github.io/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UbQ1kc1vQU or
https://watchkin.com/y/7UbQ1kc1vQU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGF17TbbBcE
Is your opinion and statement going to change after reading facts and
rebuttals? Are you going to change your Guix statement due to
disagreements to your feminism politics in Guix which is in the GNU
Project?
Could you have some balls and simply take out your feminism politics
out of GNU Project?
Was there not enough people telling you on Guix chat that for reasons
of your politics that they do not want to support Guix neither use
Guix?
Why are you imposing other directions in Guix system distribution,
others but "Freedom Zero" policies that Guix remains for everybody,
and not just for those who are on side of feminism?
> I ask you to stop using the Guix mailing lists for this now. I will
> propose to the Guix maintainers to put you on a moderation queue if
> you don’t stop by yourself.
For as long is that statement on Guix website, and I live, I will not
stop.
For as long as you are bringing fear, uncertainty and doubt into what
was friendly GNU community of people of various opinions but agreeing
to provide GNU free software systems, I will not stop.
For as long as Guix as such and you keep pushing other politics into
GNU Project but politics of free software, I will not stop.
You can put me under your censorship, isn't that what you were doing
since the moment I tried asking you about facts?
Your own website does not speak of free software politics, it speaks
of software as such. But you never mentioned Dr. Richard Stallman or
ideals of free software on your personal website:
http://web.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludo-3.html
http://people.bordeaux.inria.fr/lcourtes/
Your speeches are technical not ideological.
And who are you then to say that Richard Stallman does not qualify as
GNU project leader? You are hacker, programmer, but ideologically,
your only stance is in feminism, even that is in covert manner.
> Disagreement is fine; attrition is now.
That you don't like people's opinion is already clear. But one thing
you cannot do nothing about is the snow ball that is going on those
political issues that you introduced in Guix, the distribution that
received over US $100,000 from FSF and third parties.
> My sincere apologies to all the Guix people who are witnessing this.
> :-(
"Guix people" are not all people, many disagree with you and they told
you on IRC chat, and on many web pages. And you know it.
Please take your political shit out of Guix pages. Or go out of GNU as
being political enough to bring separation in community because of
your political views. Make your own projects.
GNU was always apolitical.
RMS was never apolitical.
Many GNU project maintainers are NOT apolitical. If somebody is jewish
or muslim or feminist, or contra-feminist, or anti-fascist, or
fascist, or nazi, or contra-nazi, I don't care, as we are all users of
free software. That is what brings people together.
If I have my political views, I will express them elsewhere but on GNU
project. GNU Project shall remain politically free.
You do care, for you is feminism more important than free software and
bringing separation in GNU free software community is harm that you
have done and still doing.
It is time for you to either bring your system distribution into
apolitical environment where only free software is promoted and
pushed, and not where your feminism is promoted.
Or, what person with balls would do is exactl that what you said, make
your own project, but make it elsewhere, as it is now clear that your
project cannot stay "feminism free" and GNU being apolitical in that
sense, you should make your feminism-pro project for free software
elsewhere, and be free to call functions dontabort() if you wish so.
Jean Louis
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