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DATE 2007-01-25
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRM is Theft itunes
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Netherlands joins European rebellion against Apple's iTunes rules The
Associated Press Published: January 25, 2007
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AMSTERDAM, Netherlands: The Dutch consumer protection agency said
Thursday it has joined a drive by consumer rights groups in Germany,
France, and the Nordic countries to force Apple Inc. to change the rules
it imposes on customers of its online music store.

Consumentenbond spokesman Ewald van Kouwen said his group had filed
a formal complaint with the Dutch antitrust watchdog NMa asking it to
investigate what he called "illegal practices" by Apple's iTunes Store.

"What we want from Apple is that they remove the limitations that prevent
you from playing a song you download from iTunes on any player other
than an iPod," he said.

"When you buy a music CD it doesn't play only on players made by
Panasonic. People who download a song from iTunes shouldn't be bound to
an iPod for the rest of their lives."

Currently, songs bought on iTunes can be played only on iPods,
and an iPod can't play downloads from other stores with similar
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On Monday, a spokesman told The Associated Press that Apple is "aware
of the concerns we've heard from several agencies in Europe."

"Apple hopes that European governments will encourage a competitive
environment that lets innovation thrive," Tom Neumayr said then. The
company declined further comment Thursday.

Van Kouwen said his group was "inspired" by Norway's consumer ombudsman,
who on Monday gave the company a Sept. 30 deadline to change its rules
or face legal action.

Simmering European discontent with Apple's rules first boiled over in
June 2006, when consumer agencies in Norway, Denmark and Sweden claimed
that Apple's practices violated contract and copyright laws.

French consumer lobby UFC-Que Choisir and its German counterpart
Ferbraucherzentralen joined the effort late last year, along with
Finland's Kuluttajavirasto.

In August, France passed a law that giving regulators power to force
Apple to license its software or hardware to rivals so they can make
compatible music players and stores.

Early drafts of the law would have ordered the outright removal of DRM or
"digital rights management" software — which prevents song files from
playing on other players. Apple, which only reached agreement with major
record labels to license their music by agreeing to add DRM software,
complained the law was tantamount to "state-sponsored piracy."

But in its final form it has not led to any significant change in Apple's
practices in France.

Van Kouwen said it will take months for the NMa watchdog to investigate
the complaint against Apple, but he was confident the agency would find
Apple is abusing a "dominant position" in the music download market.

In the meanwhile the Consumentenbond is advising Dutch consumers not
to buy iPods or use iTunes, but instead buy generic mp3 players and
use services like eMusic, owned by JDS Capital Management Inc., which
doesn't add DRM software to its songs.

"They're growing like crazy, and have much lower prices than iTunes,"
he said.

He conceded that eMusic's offerings don't contain many of the most
popular international artists.

Van Kouwen said the Consumentenbond would also oppose Microsoft Corp.'s
use of DRM software on music for its new Zune player "or Sony or any
company that does so."

_____


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http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS -
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"The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers
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  3. 2007-01-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Other stuff ...um not quite legal
  4. 2007-01-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] making dvds with Free Software and other stuff
  5. 2007-01-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting Report
  6. 2007-01-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sealand for Sale
  7. 2007-01-11 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NY Linux Users Grp. 1/17 Mtg: Robert "r0ml" Lefkowitz on "Does Linux Make Software Frameworks Obsolete?"
  8. 2007-01-11 rc <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Interesting Open Source
  9. 2007-01-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting Wednesday In Midtown 6:30PM
  10. 2007-01-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [chief-at-freesoftwaremagazine.com: FSM newsletter: FSM Newsletter 15th of January 2007]
  11. 2007-01-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [bruce.lai-at-council.nyc.ny.us: E-Update for the Committee on Technology in Government of the New York City Council (January 16, 2007).]
  12. 2007-01-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting TOMORROW In Midtown 6:30PM
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  14. 2007-01-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [newsletter-at-linuxjournal.com: Linux Journal Weekly Newsletter - January 17]
  15. 2007-01-18 rc <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Massive Anti-war March Planned for January 27 in D.C.
  16. 2007-01-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [docs-newsletter-at-ssc.com: January 18]
  17. 2007-01-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] market place
  18. 2007-01-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [MyNYC-at-nyc.gov: City Council Calendar for Monday Jan. 22nd, 2007 - Sunday Jan. 28th, 2007]
  19. 2007-01-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [newsletter-at-linuxjournal.com: Off the Shelf - January 19]
  20. 2007-01-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Registration Open for Gelato ICE: Itanium(r) Conference &
  21. 2007-01-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Debugging Class on the net
  22. 2007-01-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting results and next Meeting
  23. 2007-01-24 rc <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting results and next Meeting
  24. 2007-01-24 Matthew <mph-at-dorsai.org> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting results and next Meeting
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  26. 2007-01-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting results and next Meeting
  27. 2007-01-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting results and next Meeting
  28. 2007-01-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] stealing uranium
  29. 2007-01-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRM is Theft itunes
  30. 2007-01-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRM is Theft part 2 - itunes
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  35. 2007-01-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting results and next Meeting
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  37. 2007-01-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Copyright Infringement on the Nets - Sue a 7 year old girl TODAY
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  39. 2007-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting results and next Meeting
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  42. 2007-01-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting Tomorrow - 6:30PM at the Brooklyn Marriot
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  45. 2007-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest Sunday February 4 and Meeting Results
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