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DATE 2007-01-25
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRM is Theft part 2 - itunes
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Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRM is Theft part 2 - itunes
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Good intentions, questionable execution. European legislators have been giving DRM considerable attention for a while, but Norway has actually gone so far as to declare that Apple's iTunes store is illegal under Norwegian law.

The crux of the issue is that the Fairplay DRM that is at the heart of the iTunes/iPod universe doesn't work with anything else, meaning that if you want access to the cast iTunes library, you have to buy an iPod. That didn't sit well with the Norwegian Consumer Council, the body that kicked the whole thing off by filing a complaint with Norway's consumer ombudsman. France and Germany have also joined in on the action. (See our earlier reports on Norway and France's ongoing debates here, here and here.)

Now, I'm not much for DRM (though I'll admit that Fairplay is comparatively liberal) and I resent theoretically having to buy an iPod in order to listen to iTunes downloads away from the computer. But as it happens millions of people don't seem to care. They have an iPod, they have iTunes, they get their music, and they're happy because the whole thing does what they want.

My use of the word "theoretically" seems to apply here. As far as I can tell, this entire case came about because of the theoretical problem of a closed system; but I wonder, how many Norwegian (or French or German) consumers were clamoring for Apple to open up iTunes?

I guess we'll find out soon enough. Apple has until October 1 to open up Fairplay to other companies, or face fines and the threat of iTunes being closed down in Norway. Since the first option is about as likely as Satan skating to work, Apple's only choice in the long run -- assuming endless legal wrangling fails -- will be to close iTunes in Norway, and possibly other European countries. I wonder how many consumers would go for that?

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  1. 2007-01-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Next NYLXS Meeting Monday at the Brooklyn Marriott
  2. 2007-01-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Kryptonite falls to earth
  3. 2007-01-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Other stuff ...um not quite legal
  4. 2007-01-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] making dvds with Free Software and other stuff
  5. 2007-01-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting Report
  6. 2007-01-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sealand for Sale
  7. 2007-01-11 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NY Linux Users Grp. 1/17 Mtg: Robert "r0ml" Lefkowitz on "Does Linux Make Software Frameworks Obsolete?"
  8. 2007-01-11 rc <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Interesting Open Source
  9. 2007-01-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting Wednesday In Midtown 6:30PM
  10. 2007-01-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [chief-at-freesoftwaremagazine.com: FSM newsletter: FSM Newsletter 15th of January 2007]
  11. 2007-01-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [bruce.lai-at-council.nyc.ny.us: E-Update for the Committee on Technology in Government of the New York City Council (January 16, 2007).]
  12. 2007-01-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting TOMORROW In Midtown 6:30PM
  13. 2007-01-17 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting TOMORROW In Midtown 6:30PM
  14. 2007-01-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [newsletter-at-linuxjournal.com: Linux Journal Weekly Newsletter - January 17]
  15. 2007-01-18 rc <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Massive Anti-war March Planned for January 27 in D.C.
  16. 2007-01-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [docs-newsletter-at-ssc.com: January 18]
  17. 2007-01-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] market place
  18. 2007-01-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [MyNYC-at-nyc.gov: City Council Calendar for Monday Jan. 22nd, 2007 - Sunday Jan. 28th, 2007]
  19. 2007-01-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [newsletter-at-linuxjournal.com: Off the Shelf - January 19]
  20. 2007-01-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Registration Open for Gelato ICE: Itanium(r) Conference &
  21. 2007-01-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Debugging Class on the net
  22. 2007-01-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting results and next Meeting
  23. 2007-01-24 rc <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting results and next Meeting
  24. 2007-01-24 Matthew <mph-at-dorsai.org> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting results and next Meeting
  25. 2007-01-24 rc <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting results and next Meeting
  26. 2007-01-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting results and next Meeting
  27. 2007-01-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting results and next Meeting
  28. 2007-01-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] stealing uranium
  29. 2007-01-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRM is Theft itunes
  30. 2007-01-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRM is Theft part 2 - itunes
  31. 2007-01-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest february 4th, 2006
  32. 2007-01-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Freedom-IT and Lake Placid
  33. 2007-01-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Freedom-IT and Lake Placid
  34. 2007-01-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Work
  35. 2007-01-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting results and next Meeting
  36. 2007-01-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Log Cabins are now Copyrighted
  37. 2007-01-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Copyright Infringement on the Nets - Sue a 7 year old girl TODAY
  38. 2007-01-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] P2P trail with the RIAAA starts tomorrow here in NYC
  39. 2007-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting results and next Meeting
  40. 2007-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Free Software in Brooklyn for a hospital
  41. 2007-01-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting Tomorrow - 6:30PM at the Brooklyn Marriot
  42. 2007-01-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting Tomorrow - 6:30PM at the Brooklyn Marriot
  43. 2007-01-31 Shoshana Rivka Safir <shani-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting Tomorrow - 6:30PM at the Brooklyn Marriot
  44. 2007-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [kpatrick-at-bladiant.com: Gowanus Houses Community Center Program]
  45. 2007-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest Sunday February 4 and Meeting Results
  46. 2007-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Gowanus Houses Community Center Program

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