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| DATE | 2017-01-23 |
| FROM | Rick Moen
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| SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] well,
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Quoting Ruben Safir (ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com):
> Honestly, I have no idea what your talking about here.
Can I recommend a good online reading-comprehension study program?
Are you _seriously_ going to tell me you cannot distinguish between a
hit-and-run attack and an invasion? Even after I carefully
distinguished between the two, and explained why the IJN blanket
rejected the latter in favour of the former, even as to _Hawaii_, let
alone the West Coast?
If you are actually that unable to coherently discuss military history,
I'd strongly suggest you stop purporting to do so.
> They also had to contend with an actually report out of Hawaii of a
> naturalized japanese citizens giving aid to a japanese pilot to free
> himself from prision.
Yes, Yoshio Harada and the comic-opera-entitled "Battle of Ni'ihau" (the
Ni'ihau incident). After which, there was still no internment of
Japanese-Americans in the Hawaiian Territory, which actually _had_ been
IJN-attacked, further making the point that the West Coast internment
made absolutely zero sense -- along with the utter lack of internment of
Japanese-Americans working and living in/near military bases in the East
Coast, and the almost total absence of interning of German-Americans and
Italian-Americans anywhere.
> That heightened the hysteria a great deal and outlined concreately the
> precieved threat.
...the perceived threat that thus immediately lead to the interning of
all Japanese-Americans in the Hawaiian Islands. Except, oops, it
didn't, because saner heads prevailed _there_, at least.
Are you quite done arguing against yourself?
Would you care to guess how many German-Americans actively supported the
Third Reich? German American Bund had about 25,000 members, wore
brownshirt and jackboot uniforms, had lots of Nazi flag-waving, created
a youth program and a paramilitary Order Division, and bragged about how
they were going to protect the United States from Jewish Communism.
But that was only subversion. One June 1942 example of actual sabotage on
behalf of the Nazis (specifically the Abwehr) by German-Americans was
Operation Pastorius. The German-Americans in question were George John
Dasch, Ernest Peter Burger, Heinrich Heinck, Richard Quirin, Herbert
Haupt, Hermann Neubauer, and Werner Thiel. One team accepted
assignments to blow up the hydroelectric plants at Niagara Falls, the
ALCOA factories in Illinois, Tennessee, and New York, as well as the
Philadelphia Salt Company’s cryolite plant in Philadelphia, which
supplied raw material for aluminum manufacture. They were also
instructed to bomb river locks on the Ohio between Louisville and
Pittsburgh. The other was supposed to dynamite the Pennsylvania
Railroad station at Newark, plus the famous horseshoe bend section of
the railroad near Altoona, parts of the Chesapeake and Ohio Railroad, NY
Central Railroad’s Hell Gate bridge, the lock and canal complexes at St.
Louis and Cincinnati, and the water supply system in NYC. In addition,
both teams were told to plant bombs in Jewish-owned department stores
and in locker rooms at major passenger railroad stations, with the
object of creating panic and terror. Both teams were arrested, in
different places, before they were able to carry out their missions,
mostly on account of some alert Coast Guardmen.
There were other incidents of subversion and sabotage by
German-Americans (and I say this with no slight whatsoever to the
overwhelmingly loyal high percentage of German-Ameicans, who after all
included Eisenhower and Nimitz), but right there you have seven
traitorous German-Americans. Almost all of the teams went to the
electric chair; two of them were deported from their ongoing prison
terms to West Germany after the war.
On the other side, you have one confused Japanese-American in the
Hawaiian Territory, Yoshio Harada, who traitorously fought alongside a
downed IJN pilot briefly until the pilot was killed and Harada suicided.
So, based on that, you think it made sense to round up all
Japanese-Americans on the _West Coast_, 4000 miles from Harada, to round
up _zero_ Japanese-Americans in the Hawaiian Islands where Harada had
lived, and next to zero German-Americans where the traitorous seven had
operated?
I think this goes beyond 'alternative facts' and right into alternative
cognition.
Might I suggest: Make America Think Again. It's overdue.
> > And you can apologise right here, right now.
And you didn't.
> They were Japanese. They still are.
Fuck off. Seriously, your attitude needs to become as dead as its odor
would suggest it already is.
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