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MESSAGE
DATE 2003-01-16
FROM Ruben I Safir
SUBJECT Subject: [hangout] Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Eldred decision


On 2003.01.16 16:50 Robert F. Bodi wrote:
> > Your making a fool of yourself now....it is time to stop
>
> May I ask what your qualifications are for interpreting Constitutional law?

No you can't. I have lawyers who work on this, paid by NYLXS.


> Are you legally trained?

No - and neither is my Congressman...but at least I have lawyers, where he doesn't


> The web site you list (http://fairuse.nylxs.com/)
> is full of misinformation that could get people in trouble with the law, and
> you call me a fool?


You are a fool

>
> For example, the site states that it is legal to copy a copyrighted work.
> This is a gross simplification, and is often not true.


It's NEVER not true. You are COMPLETELY protected under the proptery rights
of the Bill of Rights to do ANYTHING you damn well please in the security of your
home...

You legally aquire it, you buy it, it is YOURS, and you can copy itr as much as
you want.

PERIOD


> If you copy a book
> verbatim, that is a violation of copyright.

Bullshit. Show me the case law, troll, or shutup. You can't find a SINGLE
case of anyone every prosecuted for making a copy of a book in the home.



> You might have a right to make
> one copy of a music CD, but if you make 5 copies, and give them away, you
> are violating copyright.

Also WRONG. And in fact, this is EXACTLY where the current debate exists.
How many distrbitutions of material is reasonable and what is the nature of the
distribtution.

Howard Berman:
"Nobody here is suggesting that if someone makes a few copies of a song and gives it
to their mother that they should be arrested, or that they violated the law".


READ IT AND WEEP. It's in the Congressional record.


> The site also states that it is legal to give "a
> copy of a Copyrighted work to a friend without a charge or other monetary
> consideration". However, this is not true if the work is an illegal copy.

Also - WRONG. There is no predetermination that a copy is illegal.
That is a mater for the court. It's strictly selling a copy which is
illegal.


>
> The site also states that it is legal to destroy your copy of the
> Copyrighted work. This is not true for some works, such as unique paintings
> by an artist.

A COPY OF A UNIQUE WORK? What are you talking about Troll?

You own it, you can destroy it. The single only thing you can do with your property
is threaten public safety with it.


>
> The site further states that it is legal to "have a website full of MP3's as
> long as it is not a business site, you are not selling ad space etc." This
> is NOT true, and could lead to liability.


Wrong wrong wrong wrong.

The MP3.com verdict was strictly based on the use of Copying music for
the purposes of business. In fact, that's what nailed Napster as well.

My WHOLE record collection in on a website. SUE ME. PLEASE. I WANT TO BE SUED!!!

SUE ME NOW!!!




> There is no requirement for
> business use in order to be liable for copyright infringement, and there are
> even CRIMINAL penalties.


BS

>
> The site also states that it is legal to sell copies of software you own and
> no longer use as a second sale. This might not be true, depending on the
> license granted. The courts are not clear on this issue.

This is ALWAYS true. Their IS no recognized license in a cash sale.



>
> The site is full of legal contradictions, such as discussing fair use, but
> then saying that one can't quote a copyrighted law (which is just not true).

You miss read it. Read again troll. It's the arrestion of a private company, not the
law.

>
> The bottom line is, don't take legal advice from those who aren't practicing
> attorneys in that field.

The bottom line is your the worse kind of troll, a con artist looking to steal from the
public. Your a threat to the safety and security of the general public.

Ruben




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  1. 2003-01-14 jam-at-rm-cpa.com Subject: [hangout] Membership dues
  2. 2003-01-30 rc <nylxsdoer-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: Fwd: Re: [hangout] Web Work needed [akbar-at-pionerd.org]
  3. 2003-01-31 Paul Rodriguez <sangretoro-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] SCSI cd drive (anybody want one)
  4. 2003-01-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Eldred decision
  5. 2003-01-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Eldred decision
  6. 2003-01-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Eldred decision
  7. 2003-01-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Eldred decision
  8. 2003-01-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Eldred decision
  9. 2003-01-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Eldred decision
  10. 2003-01-16 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Eldred decision
  11. 2003-01-16 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Eldred decision
  12. 2003-01-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Eldred decision
  13. 2003-01-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Eldred decision
  14. 2003-01-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Eldred decision
  15. 2003-01-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Eldred decision
  16. 2003-01-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Eldred decision
  17. 2003-01-15 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft to release code
  18. 2003-01-15 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Membership dues
  19. 2003-01-25 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS annual dinner

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