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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 11:44:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: Elfen Magix
Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] yabb
To: hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com
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If you want Mod Rewrite Rules, you are going to need to know where the file=
s are.
To sort this craziness out you have to figure where the board are. That is =
in cgi-bin/Boards.http://www.hondosackett.com/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=3Dsignpost
But the threads are listed by date created in each board file in the Boards=
Directory. Adding to the insanity, the threads are in their own directory/=
folder called "Messages" and there are two files to go with it - the .txt f=
ile which is the actual thread and the .ctb which is an index of that file =
(who started it, when, what permissions are allowed, etc.) and keeps track =
of the thread added posts.
Within Yabb, all this is figured out with several perl files, including Yab=
b.pl.
To do a simple rewrite mod for YaBB, you need to convert from the cgi-bin t=
o without it.I'm guessing it would be:RewriteRule ^cgi-bin/YaBB.pl$ YaBB=
/$Dont count on it for it may look like it, it is not the answer.See: http:=
//httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/misc/rewriteguide.htmland: http://httpd.apache.=
org/docs/current/mod/mod_rewrite.html- and search 'cgi' within the document=
s.
--- On Wed, 3/20/13, Ruben Safir wrote:

From: Ruben Safir
Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] yabb
To: hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com
Date: Wednesday, March 20, 2013, 11:03 AM

On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 09:38:30AM -0400, David Sugar wrote:
> Isn't this what the existing apache uri rewrite rules/module is also norm=
ally
> used for, to do translations between uri paths and cgi arguments?=A0 I re=
call
> mediawiki can use rewrite rules to normalize document paths to feed the c=
ore
> app.=A0 Why do they have/want to do it differently than anyone else has?
> Doing it as a kind of redirect just seems bizaare to me.=A0 But I have he=
ard
> equally bizzare things recently, like people insisting that file managers
> should now only present case insensitive file ordering, when of course th=
e
> native file system is and always have been case sensitive...

I'd have to look at the specifics of what your refering to, but while in
the Pharmacy, the essential difference would be regular expression
mapping wbich would be a fairly large security hole for a standard
setup, or any set up with usage of an .htaccess file.=A0 It would allow
for anyone to inject anything at all into cgi as a get statement.=20


Ruben


>=20
> Ruben Safir wrote:
>=20
> > This is an example of something that is just a PIA to churn through,
> > partly because these idiots are splicing an ISII crapolla fix into
> > their "documentations", and secondly because assume your sitting on
> > someone elses webserver, rather than your own, and thirdly because=20
> > they believe that your apache set up has a rather rare and somewhat
> > insecure module installed for RedirectMatchUrl, and then ...
> >=20
> > their last instruction fails to identify what the hell the code is
> > for!=A0 Is it httpd.conf?=A0 Is it perl code to drop into the applicati=
on?
> >=20
> > The who concept is to redirect a static uri like
> >=20
> > http://www.myuri.com/messages/some_numbers_as_arguments
> >=20
> > to their cgi engine automaticaly, to be translated to look
> > internally as something like this:
> >=20
> >=A0=20
> > http://www.myuri.com/cgi-bin/yabb.pl?some_numbers_as_arguments
> >=20
> >=20
> > It would be just simpler to drop down to mod_perl and add it as a
> > script into the apache calls under the URI of=20
> >=20
> > http://www.myuri.com/messages/=20
> >=20
> > and be done with it....
> >=20
> > The whole discussion of symbolic links to directories is just confussin=
g
> > the issue.=A0 There doesn't need to be any real directory when the serv=
er
> > is picking up that uri and handling it entirely within the apache
> > engine.
> >=20
> > Ruben
> >=20

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top" style=3D"font: inherit;">If you want Mod Rewrite Rules, you are going =
to need to know where the files are.

To sort this crazin=
ess out you have to figure where the board are. That is in cgi-bin/Boards.<=
/div>
http://www.hondosackett.com/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=3Dsignpost
iv>
But the threads are listed by date created in each board =
file in the Boards Directory. Adding to the insanity, the threads are in th=
eir own directory/folder called "Messages" and there are two files to go wi=
th it - the .txt file which is the actual thread and the .ctb which is an i=
ndex of that file (who started it, when, what permissions are allowed, etc.=
) and keeps track of the thread added posts.

Withi=
n Yabb, all this is figured out with several perl files, including Yabb.pl.=

To do a simple rewrite mod for YaBB, you need to
convert from the cgi-bin to without it.
I'm guessing it would be=
:
RewriteRule   ^cgi-bin/YaBB.pl$  YaBB/$
Dont cou=
nt on it for it may look like it, it is not the answer.
See: http=
://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/misc/rewriteguide.html
and: http://h=
ttpd.apache.org/docs/current/mod/mod_rewrite.html
- and search 'c=
gi' within the documents.

--- On Wed, 3/2=
0/13, Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com>
wrote:
te style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padd=
ing-left: 5px;">
From: Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com>
Subject=
: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] yabb
To: hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com
Date: Wednesday=
, March 20, 2013, 11:03 AM

On Wed, Mar 20, =
2013 at 09:38:30AM -0400, David Sugar wrote:
> Isn't this what the ex=
isting apache uri rewrite rules/module is also normally
> used
for, to do translations between uri paths and cgi arguments?  I recal=
l
> mediawiki can use rewrite rules to normalize document paths to fe=
ed the core
> app.  Why do they have/want to do it differently t=
han anyone else has?
> Doing it as a kind of redirect just seems biza=
are to me.  But I have heard
> equally bizzare things recently, =
like people insisting that file managers
> should now only present ca=
se insensitive file ordering, when of course the
> native file system=
is and always have been case sensitive...

I'd have to look at the s=
pecifics of what your refering to, but while in
the Pharmacy, the essent=
ial difference would be regular expression
mapping wbich would be a fair=
ly large security hole for a standard
setup, or any set up with usage of=
an .htaccess file.  It would allow
for anyone to inject anything a=
t all into cgi as a get statement.


Ruben


>

> Ruben Safir wrote:
>
> > This is an example of so=
mething that is just a PIA to churn through,
> > partly because th=
ese idiots are splicing an ISII crapolla fix into
> > their "docum=
entations", and secondly because assume your sitting on
> > someon=
e elses webserver, rather than your own, and thirdly because
> > =
they believe that your apache set up has a rather rare and somewhat
>=
> insecure module installed for RedirectMatchUrl, and then ...
> =
>
> > their last instruction fails to identify what the hell t=
he code is
> > for!  Is it httpd.conf?  Is it perl code =
to drop into the application?
> >
> > The who concept is=
to redirect a static uri like
> >
> > /www.myuri.com/messages/some_numbers_as_arguments" target=3D"_blank">http:/=
/www.myuri.com/messages/some_numbers_as_arguments

> >

> > to their cgi engine automaticaly, to be translated to lookr>> > internally as something like this:
> >
> >&n=
bsp;
> > bers_as_arguments" target=3D"_blank">http://www.myuri.com/cgi-bin/yabb.pl?s=
ome_numbers_as_arguments

> >
> >
> > It wo=
uld be just simpler to drop down to mod_perl and add it as a
> > s=
cript into the apache calls under the URI of
> >
> > href=3D"http://www.myuri.com/messages/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.myuri=
.com/messages/
> >
> > and be done with it....
&=
gt; >
> > The whole discussion of symbolic links to directorie=
s is just confussing
> > the issue.  There doesn't need to be=
any real directory when the server
> > is picking up that uri and=
handling it entirely within the apache
> > engine.
> >

> > Ruben
> >

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  32. 2013-03-24 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] UEFI
  33. 2013-03-24 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Paul and Grand Central terminal
  34. 2013-03-25 Ruben <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] UEFI
  35. 2013-03-25 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] UEFI
  36. 2013-03-25 mayer ilovitz <mayeri-at-mindspring.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] UEFI
  37. 2013-03-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [SECURE1-at-cablevision.com: case # 157902]
  38. 2013-03-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [SECURE1-at-cablevision.com: case # 157902]
  39. 2013-03-28 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [SECURE1-at-cablevision.com: case # 157902]
  40. 2013-03-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [SECURE1-at-cablevision.com: case # 157902]
  41. 2013-03-28 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [SECURE1-at-cablevision.com: case # 157902]
  42. 2013-03-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] bitcoins
  43. 2013-03-28 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [SECURE1-at-cablevision.com: case # 157902]
  44. 2013-03-28 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] bitcoins
  45. 2013-03-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [info-at-rxinsider411.com: ICS Prescription Formulary Coverage Change]
  46. 2013-03-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Stan Lee is not quite dead yet
  47. 2013-03-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The NY Times and Egyptian Gold easy to find now
  48. 2013-03-29 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The NY Times and Egyptian Gold easy to find
  49. 2013-03-29 David Sugar <dyfet-at-gnutelephony.org> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The NY Times and Egyptian Gold easy to find now
  50. 2013-03-30 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [rick-at-linuxmafia.com: Re: BIND options]
  51. 2013-03-30 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [rick-at-linuxmafia.com: More observations about the DNS-based DDoS]
  52. 2013-03-30 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: BIND options]
  53. 2013-03-30 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The NY Times and Egyptian Gold easy to find
  54. 2013-03-30 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The NY Times and Egyptian Gold easy to find

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