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Dear Andreas,
I hope you're well buddy.
The GNU Assembly is NOT a subset of the GNU Project or the Free Software
Foundation. I don't know what their intentions are, if they're
advocating for free software philosophy I support their purpose but that
doesn't mean it's OK to in any form or way make people avoid the GNU
Project.
Please don't post about it here as it most likely hurts the GNU Project.
The gnu-misc-discuss mailing list is for "General GNU project and free
software discussions" as stated on lists.gnu.org.
What they state on their website somehow implies that the GNU Project
has a hostile environment and is toxic to people. Saying their community
is harassment-free (which is basically impossible because they can
punish those who harass not prevent them) implies that the GNU Project
is a place for harassment.
The GNU Assembly got attention exactly after the recent false and
based-on-lies claims against RMS and I believe how they wrote their code
of conduct is in fact pointing to those controversies. Please stop it.
You're free to talk about anything but if it's hurting the GNU Project
or the Free Software Foundation, you have to stop doing it here.
If you want to help them, I believe they have their own mailing lists.
Thank you.
Please note that I am an individual and I'm not talking on behalf of the
GNU Project, the Free Software Foundation, or RMS.
On 18/04/2021 23:57, Andreas R. wrote:
> In this mail I try to provide an overview of the "GNU Assembly"
> initiative in relation to the GNU project.
>
> - The main page, https://gnu.tools/, states:
>
> "Welcome to the GNU Assembly!"
>
> Currently the Assembly consists of GNU maintainers. As such using "GNU"
> as part of "GNU assembly" is not misleading or inappropriate. They are a
> subset of GNU, and distinguish themselves from the larger GNU project
> by the
> distinct qualifier "Assembly".
>
> "We write free software" where "free software" links to
> https://gnu.tools/en/documents/free-software/
>
> As far as I can tell, their definition of "free software", other than
> their off-by-one
> numbering is in line with the official definition at
>
> https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html
>
> To wit:
>
> -The freedom to run the program as the user wishes, for any purpose.
> -The freedom to study how the program works and to change it to suit
> their needs.
> -The freedom to redistribute it.
> -The freedom to distribute copies of modified versions.
>
> and
>
> -The freedom to run the program as you wish, for any purpose (freedom 0).
> -The freedom to study how the program works, and change it so it does
> your computing as you wish (freedom 1). Access to the source code is a
> precondition for this.
> -The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help others (freedom 2).
> -The freedom to distribute copies of your modified versions to others
> (freedom 3). By doing this you can give the whole community a chance
> to benefit from your changes. Access to the source code is a
> precondition for this.
>
> Their definition is less complete, but seems to contain no
> contradictions or
> misleading information.
>
> "Here’s what “GNU” means to us:"
>
> The bulk of the main page is a set of novelty "backronyms" of GNU to
> illustrate
> their purpose, none of which are in direct conflict with the actual GNU
> project. They, as much as anyone, should be free to fill in what the GNU
> project means to them and use and contribute to it as they see fit, even
> as a self-defined exclusive club.
>
> The main page includes a link, under "Governance, Not Unilateralism":
> -https://gnu.tools/en/documents/social-contract/
> "GNU Social Contract 1.0"
>
> This is clearly erroneous as there is no such thing as a "GNU Social
> Contract".
>
> This would be trivial to fix by renaming it to "GNU Assembly Social
> contract", but given its history it's unlikely that those who drafted it
> would be willing to amend it.
>
> The main page includes a link, under "This Group’s Not Uniform ":
> -https://gnu.tools/en/documents/code-of-conduct/
>
> Even though the GNU project has no code of conduct, it should be okay
> for any self organising subgroup of GNU maintainers to adopt one. As far
> as I can tell, there are no references or indications that this document
> would apply to anything or anyone outside of the Assembly.
>
> From their mailing list:
>
> There are some mentions of "the former GNU project" and "old GNU" by
> individual members of the list, but these might be slightly provocative
> ways distinguish between their initiative and the GNU project as a whole.
>
> https://lists.gnu.tools/hyperkitty/list/assembly-at-lists.gnu.tools/thread/3PDVUTCKG33R3KY7XCV5TKQUMIW5NMWC/
> https://lists.gnu.tools/hyperkitty/list/assembly-at-lists.gnu.tools/thread/JUBZSTVY2LLSXDPKOMOSQBN7VYJ6JN5G/
>
> There are however other claims of direct usurpation of the GNU Project
> on their
> mailing list, such as: "by creating this assembly, we affirmed that GNU
> Project leadership is in our hands, collectively, as maintainers and
> contributors to GNU."
>
> https://lists.gnu.tools/hyperkitty/list/assembly-at-lists.gnu.tools/thread/SMFKD7M34VUTUW45MSO4UOWL4C7V5FQT/
>
> As things are, holding beliefs about what a certain things constitute
> doesn't conflict with the GNU project. To clarify, if someone declares
> their house to be the newly founded dutchy of X, and themselves
> royalty, but abides by every law of the land and only adds stipulations
> that do not contravene existing regulations (e.g. every visitor to the
> kingdom of X must wear a silly hat), that is certainly odd, but should
> be no ground for the proper authorities to intervene or curtail their
> freedom of claiming it is so.
>
> There is also a proposal for inviting new software projects to the GNU
> project.
>
> https://lists.gnu.tools/hyperkitty/list/assembly-at-lists.gnu.tools/thread/QDYJKAVUKI3LS42AWWBSJXE34ANECRNO/
>
> This would be a direct violation of the GNU Project's integrity.
>
> ----
>
> Much as the EU parliament is able to accommodate and harbour an
> "anti-EU" faction, there is no real reason, at this moment, for the GNU
> Project to disavow or even undertake any action against the Assembly or
> its members.
>
> The only real transgression is the somewhat petty "GNU Social Contract",
> which tries to imply by its name that it contains policy for the
> larger GNU
> project. As stated previously, this was pointed out repeatedly to the
> writers during the drafting stage, so it might be a deliberate attempt
> to provoke an overreaction by some.
>
> As things are, my recommendations would be:
>
> -make clear that within the GNU Project's framework there is no such
> thing as a "GNU Social Contract" so people new to GNU will not be
> confused about their obligations.
>
> -to monitor if the Assembly will add new software to the GNU Project
> outside of the normal procedures and channels, and, if needed, inform
> the writers
> of the software that they are being misled.
>
> -to be wary of the Assembly trying to alter the free software definition
> so it would allow for non-free software (e.g. "ethical source") and
> thereby subvert the goals of the GNU Project by association.
>
> Other than that, I think the GNU Project's general "live and let live"
> approach towards maintainers and project development hould be honoured,
> even if some Assembly members appear to hold hostile opinions.
>
> Andreas R.
>
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Ali Reza Hayati (https://alirezahayati.com)
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