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I just want you to hear from me personally, as EFF’s Executive Director, that sending obnoxious and insulting emails to EFF staffers is not OK. Can you please format your email correctly. I am glad you emailed me. Because I want to tell you person to person that I don't care about your tolerance for what you find obnoxious or not. It is pretty clear to me, just on your first sentence that you are not ready of any kind of discourse that doesn't genuflect to your personal standards for discourse. I just want to tell you right off the bat, I don't care. Matts position on these matters are dispicable and the flasehoods he perpetuates play themselves out in blood on the streets of NYC, and as I wrote the first time, I dare him or you to come to East Harlem and stand in our pharmacy even for two weeks before you are not physically assualted. It is not my business to present myself as happy when this sort of new racism is being respent to the public as rational science. It is not rational. It is dangerous. <thoughtful feedback, but if you cannot do so civilly, >> I was civil. Get with it and get on the right side of history and the right side of ethics on this. I don't need to be told by some student what constitutes public safety, who has lived his entire life without ever getting stomped on in the ghetto, held up with tec9's or threatened for being white and riding the subway to the Bronx. And I will say the same to you. That IS civil discourse. > please keep your thoughts to yourself. You don't care anyway. That is obvious. Nobody who actually reads my email would think it is uncivil. What you don't like is being told and pouring a false narritve about racism and policing into the real issue with survailence is UNACCEPTABLE, DANGEROUS and throws gasoline into what is now a hostile environment. If you want to push, expect to be pushed back. Stick to what you know, which is not policing in high crime areas. It is not safe right now in the streets of NYC. Matts disinformation and mixing topics is [art of the problem and needs to be directly addressed. > > It is EFF’s position that we cannot surveil ourselves to safety. From this email it seems that in some contexts you agree with us about the dangers of surveillance. We will have to disagree about the rest. > > Cindy > > ----- > Cindy Cohn (she) > Executive Director > Electronic Frontier Foundation > 815 Eddy Street > San Francisco, CA 94110 > (415) 436-9333 x108 > > Join EFF! 30 Years Strong! > > > From: Ruben Safir > Date: Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 4:45 PM > To: Matthew Guariglia , Cindy Cohn , rms , Hangout > Subject: Subway Turnstyle Jumping > Matthew > > > I listened to you on the latest EFF video and you're very disappointing > and need to step down from your position with EFF. > > You laid down the false narrative that by enforcing the law on jumping > of subway turnstiles causes racism. Frankly, you are an idiot. > > There is more criminal activities in communities like Harlem and East > New York and Coney Island. You're position lacks any reality and > encourages dangerous criminal activity. It is a direct threat to the > safety of me and my family. > > There needs to be more policing in the communities, not less. Those > communities are, as a fact, a danger to themselves and represent a real > danger to everyone else. I HATE surveillance, but if a camera can > encourage law enforcement of Subway Turnstile jumpers city-wide. SO BE > IT. I am sick of being pissed on in the Subway and being threatened > with violence. What bothers me is how that data is now stored and > further used. Instead of IDing and tracking everyone, if should just ID > the crime and leave investigation and enforcement to the police. The > rest of the data should be deleted. > > It is not just a technology issue, but a legal and ethical one. You're > mixing in the race card based on a false narrative kills your integrity > to every honest working person in the City of New York. > > You're mixing up surveillance issues with the prosecution of criminal > activities. Survalence concerns me more than they do you and I have > been working on these issues since before you were a HS student, or > perhaps before your birth. Prosecuting criminal activities and public > policing is a completely different issue. They are two separate > issues. But FWIW, you need MORE policing in these communities, not > less. Anyone who believes otherwise is a bigot. > > As far as the policing issue is concerned, you are off your rocker. > > These streets in these areas are dangerous. They need more policing and > more arrests. > > You are not helping EFF. You are an enemy of the people, and ruthless > with a lack of compassion for your fellow human beings. > > > Ruevain Safir > > I DARE YOU to come to my Pharmacy on E132nd and Madison avenue and work > for two weeks. Aside from being physically attacked, you will see the > broad open dealing of drugs, and gun shootings that happen daily... so > much so that they are not even reported. People live in fear, always. > > You REALLY are a bad human being. You just don't give a damn about people > > Everyone, no matter where they are born and where they live should have > a right to live in a relatively safe community without fear of being > shot down by gangs and assaulted on the subway. Everyone deserves equal > protection under the law and justice is either blind, or it is not > justice at all. > > -- > So many immigrant groups have swept through our town > that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological > proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 > http://www.mrbrklyn.com > DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 > > http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software > http://www.brooklyn-living.com > > Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps, > but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013 -- So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 http://www.mrbrklyn.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive http://www.coinhangout.com - coins! http://www.brooklyn-living.com Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps, but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013 _______________________________________________ Hangout mailing list Hangout-at-nylxs.com http://lists.mrbrklyn.com/mailman/listinfo/hangout 2021-09-01 From: "Free Software Foundation" <info-at-fsf.org> Subject: [Hangout - 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